Timberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 581 posts, RR: 1 Posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15819 times:
Several posts on the ATA Yahoo business board state that ATA is looking at the 717. From what was posted it will be a sizable number 60 to 70 aircraft. I have a feeling it could be wishful thinking knowing the financial shape ATA is in and that Boeing is looking at closing the 717 line.
Has anyone heard rumors of this floating around ATA and might be able to shed some more light on this?
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12299 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15606 times:
I understand they were able to refinance the debt right now, it is still going to come due soon. I think it is wishful thinking on someone's part. I think they would be looking at a replacement for the L1011's first.
Cwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15495 times:
If even 2/3 of these 717 rumors turned out to have anything behind them, the 717 would be nearing 1000 orders by now, wouldn't it? Unless the new Embraers start falling from the sky, I think it is safe to start searching out cemetary plots for the 717 program. (All the while, I am hoping I can say later on that I was wrong...)
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Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16456 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15415 times:
I read something similar recently. Apparently ATA feels that the 738 is too large for some of the viable destinations from IND (and to a lesser degree MDW) since they have moved rapidly to a hub & spoke format at IND/MDW. The 717 would enable ATA to significantly build their IND hub.
Despite my username, I am not a mindless 717 devotee.
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Gamarocchi From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15383 times:
It would really be nice, I don't like the idea of the last incarnation of the glorious DC9 dying out. Still, lately not a single one of the rumors about airlines being interested in the 717 turned out to be true. There even was a joke about those 5 717 Hex'Air (a regional French airlines) was supposed to be ordering, and some poor 717 fans were so desperate to believe it. I HOPE that aircraft will get new orders now, but I am not believing any rumor until I see a serious article. Alas, I am afraid that the aircraft is just too heavy to compete with the Embraer jets, it carries too few people to be able to replace most DC9/MD80s.... If BIG orders don't come during these year, the plane is dead.
Rumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15301 times:
The reason why this rumor has started is because the company has approached the pilot union(ALPA) about setting up a pay scale for the 717. It doesn't mean they are getting the aircraft. Just the company and the union are talking about it. This has come up before except it was a different airplane last year. The company and union were talking about a pay scale for the 767s. Although I don't see them getting 717's it would be great for them to get a 100 seat airplane. There smallest airplane 737-800 holds I think 174. It would open small to medium size cities that right now ATA could not do.
Syncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2068 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15243 times:
Weather it is true or not...
I actually think it might be worth a try. And the 717 would be the right aircraft to do it, this would allow them to enter into much smaller markets, and provide more point-to-point services, like what NW is doing with non-stop Diesel 9 service from GRR to TPA and MCO, as well as many smaller cities like GRR. They could really start something. At least that's my two cents.
ChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15081 times:
TZ has decided it needs a smaller aircraft for the mainline fleet. Whether or not we actually get anything remains to be seen. I have heard no rumors on-line. The 340s are here to stay for a while as PA34plt said. The regional jet market is too strong for ATA to consider buying it now. I talked to the president of C8 personally and he says they are looking at different options, one being the SAAB 2000, but have not decided on any one aircraft nor when the SAAB 340s will be replaced. There would have to be considerable work done on the boarding/staging area. There is not really enough room on the south side of MDW for too much bigger of an aircraft.
I am a fan of AirTran's 717 and it would be nice to have some around. TZ's focus is also on scheduled service. Though the military has been a very important part of ATA and always will, replacing the L-1011 fleet is a ways down the road. Wait until some of these 777s get a few more years on them.
Keep rooting for us guys. This is a great airline. Tough times are standard in the industry and ATA is holding its own, but there is a long way to go.
Elwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14907 times:
You and me both, dude. You and me both.
Alas, I am afraid that the aircraft is just too heavy to compete with the Embraer jets,
Alas, I wish that were the problem. Then Boeing could do something about it. Unfortunately, it has far more to do with payscales than weigh scales.
As for TZ buying the 717, there is a fairly sizable hole in their fleets that a CRJ-900, E-190, or 717 would fit very well into. With strong RJ sales and lagging sales of 717s, it's possible that the 717 could be an excellent addition to TZ's fleet that could be available at an significant discout. The only problem I see is TZ's still heavy debt-load, which might make financing something of a problem.
With the L-1011, didn't TZ get some 757-300s?
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Syncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2068 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14875 times:
Elwood64151, yes they got quite a few. Not sure the exact number, but they are for scheduled passenger service. The L-1011's are used for charter services, I believe both military (primary use) and vacation charters. I may be wrong! WMUPilot would be a good person to ask.
TZFALAX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 82 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14648 times:
We have 12 757-300s. (550-561). Memos have indicated that the company is currently seeking an aircraft in the 100 seat range and out online the word is the 717. We are looking at expanding North-South versus East-West. One memo even mentioned the possibility of a new hub. It was also stated that the new aircraft would be operated mainline and not C8. Again, everything is still very premature. Very limited information is actually being released from the company at this point. There will be employee meetings across the system in the next month.
Swaluvfa From United States of America, joined May 2002, 277 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14550 times:
With all of this being said......do you think there might be a possible merger with AirTran to gain a solid fleet of 717s AND a hub in Atlanta. Both ATA and AirTran are low cost, both now offer business class, maybe a new powerhouse low cost carrier could form? This would give AirTran the nationwide service AND international service that they might be seeking, and it could give ATA a good solid market share in the east coast.
Planemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6702 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14509 times:
...there is a fairly sizable hole in their fleets that a CRJ-900, E-190, or 717 would fit very well into.
Sorry to have to set the record straight but... the CRJ-900 is barely an 86-seat aircraft. BBD did a little bit of marketing sleight-of-hand to "fool" everyone that it could compete with the FD-928 and E190. It is certainly not a 90-seater let alone have anywhere close to the capacity of the 717.
If ATA needs a 100-pax aircraft "now" then the 717 is their only bet. The E195 won't be available for delivery until 2006.
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FRA2DTW From Germany, joined Feb 2004, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14436 times:
I also believe that something might be in the works between ATA and Airtran. They would be a powerful combination, with discount hubs in Atlanta, Chicago and SFO. Wonder what would happen with Indy - combined maintenance?