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Taiwan's EVA Air To Buy 15 Boeing Aircraft  
User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8359 times:

Source: http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040412/airlines_taiwan_eva_1.html

Taiwan's EVA Air to buy 15 Boeing aircraft -paper

TAIPEI, April 13 (Reuters) - EVA Airways (Taiwan:2618.TW - News), Taiwan's second-largest carrier, will buy 15 passenger aircraft from Boeing Co (NYSE:BA - News) worth around US$3 billion, a local newspaper said on Tuesday.

The Chinese language Economic Daily News quoted an unidentified industry source as saying EVA would buy seven Boeing aircraft, including three 777-200LRs and four 777-300ERs, with options for eight more.

The paper quoted the source as saying EVA should sign the contract with Boeing no later than the end of April. However, the paper said EVA declined to confirm or comment on the report.

EVA officials were not immediately available for comment.

On Monday, EVA shares jumped 4.79 percent to close at T$17.50, outperforming a 2.38 percent rise in the main TAIEX (Taiwan:^TWII - News) index. (US$1=T$32.9)

Is anyone else confused?  Confused Is EVA ordering another batch of 777s or is this old news? If I remember correctly, their last order was 3 772LRs, 4 773ERs, and an option for 8 more.


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User currently offlineOzzie From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8264 times:

Good Going EVA! I am glad that they have choosen to purchase these Boeings to complement their 747s. Also, what is the largest airline in Taiwan?

User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8205 times:

OK, so after reading the original text in Chinese on the Economic Daily News, there has been a slight confusion.

Apparently, EVA Air ANNOUNCED its order for 3 772LRs and 4 773ER in 2000. Now, they will be signing the contract for the purchase of the same aircraft ordered in 2000. EVA Air will most likely exercise its options for the 8 other 777s, bringing the total order to 15 aircraft.

EVA Air is planning to use the 777NGs to replace its 744s. The 744s will eventually be converted into freighter aircraft.


User currently offlineIWW From Taiwan, joined Apr 2004, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8146 times:

Ozzie:
The largest airlines in Taiwan is: China Airlines.
CI's Website


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8108 times:

It is very good to hear for EVA Air to buy with 15 of B777 aircraft and would able make extra long range flight.

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4785 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8052 times:

I think that initially the 747-400 Combis would be replaced by B 777-200ER/LRs and those 744Ms will be converted into freighters.

Then years later the B 744 will see the same fate and be replaced by the B 773ER but then again there is a 50-70 seater seat shortage between EVAs B 744 and B 773ERs!!! Whats gonna happen to this difference???

100% the B 777-200LRs would be used for nonstop :

1. TPE-EWR flights(currently via SEA)
2. TPE-LHR flights (currently via BKK)
3. And maybe TPE-CDG + AMS (currently via BKK) nonstops.



User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7988 times:

Behramjee

FYI, BR is currently flying to Europe via BKK is not because of range issues. In fact if they were to do nonstop to say LHR, it is actually closer than say KUL or SIN to LHR. BKK-LHR is only slightly shorter than TPE-LHR on more direct routings via commonly used airways.

But BR is flying via mainly because they do not have rights to fly over the PRC's airspace and also they have 5th freedom rights to EU ex-BKK.

So with B772LRs or not, they can do it nonstop if they could overfly the Chinese airspace.

Again, do not just speak whatever came in your mind. Make sure you are right and make statements that are justified.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4785 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7869 times:

I know very well why BR fly via BKK and why so many airlines fly via BKK or SIN to Australia and QF via SIN to Europe etc. Its because of their very liberal open skies policies.

Thanks for clearing up the info concerning overflight rights over China's airspace for BR.



User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7627 times:

I think that initially the 747-400 Combis would be replaced by B 777-200ER/LRs and those 744Ms will be converted into freighters.

I think the earlier 744s (B-16401 and B-16402; Delivered in 1992) will be the first to be converted into freighters.

EVA Air probably loves to continue its Europe routes through BKK. They pick up many passengers from/to Bangkok.

-alexchao


User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2116 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7469 times:

This is very confusing. I don't believe the 777 were ordered in 2000, or there was some clause in the contract that EVA could get out. Then Airbus started to push with 340 a couple of years ago, but EVA decided to stay with 777. Now I guess they will confirm this order, don't believe in Boeing's eyes it will be more 777 sales, just confirmation on previous order, switch in next week to see the next episode of Soap!!

User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 90
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7421 times:
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Clarification is needed. These orders could already be listed on Boeings site.

1: The 3 B772LR & 4 B773ER were original firm orders from 2000. Nothing has ever changed on that order.
2: The 8 others frames could be the 8 B773ER' s listed as Unidentified in 2002 which have long been rumoured to be for EVA.

There is the total of 15 Frames which are all firm and listed on Boeing's website. Perhaps this is final confirmation of the 8 Unidentified B773ER ordered in 2002.

My memory may not serve me correctly here so correct me if I am wrong. We need Hamlet69 or Flying-Tiger to define this orders history better

Regards



Ask the impossible to achieve the best possible
User currently offlineMacmac76 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7239 times:

That Yahoo news above has been updated and it states that the 8 "options" have been "firmed-up" by EVA (8 777-300ERs).

User currently offlineIWW From Taiwan, joined Apr 2004, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7182 times:

The news in Taiwan:

EVA AIR did not prove the dealing. However, according to the news, EVA AIR will buy two types of B777. Totally is 15 planes. Next year Boeing will give two to BR .

The order is from four years ago. The total order should be three B777-200LR, four B777-300ER and eight optional.

EVA AIR will replace B747-400 to B777. BR's B747-400 are used more than 10 years. About the engine, they will still use "GE".

B777-200LR have 250 seats and can fly 15000 KM. They will use them in EWR, CDG, LHR routes which are long range. B777-300ER have 310 seats and can fly 10000 KM. They will use them in US West Coast, Oceanic and Asia routes which have more passengers.

For Boeing, the Taiwan Market is not large. However, they tried hard to get the order from CI and BR. However, CI has less interesting in B777. CI finally orderd A330 and A340. It means that Boeing loss the market in Taiwan. Now, BR will order B777 from Boeing. It is a good news for Boeing in Taiwan Market.


User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7102 times:

@Airbus lover
Actually you are not exactly correct! They can fly from Taiwan to Europe without going over PRC. CI now does a flight over Siberia to Frankfurt.
Airlines choose to fly to Europe via Bangkok as you said because they can pick up primarily European tourist traveling to Thailand for Holidays, etc.

But I think it is terrific to see BR picking up 777 just to show later how it is a mistake for CI to go with the 340.



747SP
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7064 times:

100% the B 777-200LRs would be used for nonstop :

1. TPE-EWR flights(currently via SEA)
2. TPE-LHR flights (currently via BKK)
3. And maybe TPE-CDG + AMS (currently via BKK) nonstops.

They will use them in EWR, CDG, LHR routes which are long range



EWR and/or Europe were the original considerations...

...but believe it or not, the route being most closely eyed for the 772LRETs is TPE-PTY  Wow!


User currently offlineIWW From Taiwan, joined Apr 2004, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7005 times:

Sure? From TPE-PTY? I think not. EVA AIR had TPE-LAX-PTY route some years ago. However, they stopped the route...I surely hope if they open TPE-PTY route but I think it may not happen due to the economic reason.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6986 times:

772LRETs

Stop saying that.

Until there is a detanked one, the extra tanks are the standard configuration.

N


User currently offlineIWW From Taiwan, joined Apr 2004, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6941 times:

According to the latest news in Taiwan Newspaper, it is:

EVA AIR confirmed to buy right B777-300ER. BR said they will sign the agreemeent with Boeing and GE Group for the B777-300ER at Apr. 15.

EVA AIR earn 1.4 billion last year. It is the highest record. BR will receive another A330-200 next Thrusday.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6903 times:

Sure? From TPE-PTY?

Read what I wrote.



I think not.

You know not



EVA AIR had TPE-LAX-PTY route some years ago. However, they stopped the route...I surely hope if they open TPE-PTY route but I think it may not happen due to the economic reason.

Among the reasons for this route being considered is the indirect subsidization in talks to be provided by the Evergreen Group itself... who is by far the largest external investment organization in that country.


User currently offlineIWW From Taiwan, joined Apr 2004, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6817 times:

From the concren information, EVA AIR will not have this route at this time and also may not have it in the future. It is not enough for they to support this route. Also, it may be involved in the political reason.

[Edited 2004-04-13 17:52:17]

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6818 times:

Eva Air announced an order for 777s already 3 years ago to replace their 744 fleet until the end of this decade.

User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6719 times:

100% the B 777-200LRs would be used for nonstop :

1. TPE-EWR flights(currently via SEA)
2. TPE-LHR flights (currently via BKK)
3. And maybe TPE-CDG + AMS (currently via BKK) nonstops.


I don't think EVA will even have enough 772LRs to operate all those routes. After confirming the "new" order, EVA will have 3 772LRs and 12 773ERs on order. I think the 773ERs can make the TPE-CDG run. The 744 does it beautifully now.

If I'm lucky, I'll start seeing the 773ERs on the LAX flights next year.



User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6693 times:

IWW

Range of the B772LR is more than 15000km, at least the projected range.

The B773ER has published still air range of around 13000km depending on airline config.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6613 times:

B777-200LR have 250 seats and can fly 15000 KM.

IINM, BR ordered their aircraft tanked and at max available TOW... meaning the range is 17,170km plus.


User currently offlineIWW From Taiwan, joined Apr 2004, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6462 times:

Airbus Lover & ConcordeBoy:
Thanks for your information. I know that information surely. The article I post is the news on the website in Taiwan and I just directly trasferd from Chinese to English. ^O^

[Edited 2004-04-14 02:18:20]

[Edited 2004-04-14 02:19:22]

25 IWW : I also hope to fly B777-300ER soon. Since I fly some types of aircraft, I still have no experience with B777-300ER.
26 Alexchao : I wonder how the 777s will be configured. Does anyone know? I know First Class will be eliminated, so it will probably be a 3-class aircraft (Premium
27 Airbus Lover : Will be interesting to see how BR configs their new planes. I've even heard rumors that say BR might drop Deluxe Class. Personally I believe the only
28 Alexchao : Well, its been confirmed on EVA Air's website. They have exercised their 8 additional options. Their current order is for 3 B777-200LRs and 12 B777-30
29 The777Man : Thanks for the update including the seat configurations! Nice to hear that EVA Air is getting more 777-300ERs. The777Man
30 Post contains images Dynkrisolo : EVA Air is also now the airline to order the most B777-300ERs Direct orders, yes, but EK is going to lease 26 773ERs, and AF is going to lease at lea
31 Solnabo : Great news with 777 in Boeings orderbook! My hat off for Everett...... Michael//SE
32 Post contains links and images Alexchao : I apologize for my erroneous information about EVA Air being the airline with the most orders. I guess they won't be the biggest operator. Interesting
33 Gigneil : As I coincidentally mentioned yesterday, the 332F is ready for launch. It just needs customers. N
34 Alexchao : Thanks for the info, Gigneil. An update on the delivery schedule: 2005 - 2 773ERs 2006 - 2 772LRs 2007 - 1 772LR, 3 773ERs 2008 - 5 773ERs 2009 - 2 77
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