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Singapore Airlines Sells 8 744s To 2 Anonymous A/L  
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6809 times:

Singapore Airlines Limited - A Member of Star Alliance - has announced that it has signed a letter of intent with two undisclosed airlines to sell 8 Boeing 747-400 MEGATOPS.

These will be converted into freighters. Five will be delivered in 2006, two in 2007 and one in 2008.

Currently, Singapore Airlines is operating

28 MEGATOPs
52 JUBILEEs
3 LEADERSHIPs

On order are
8 JUBILEEs
2 LEADERSHIPs due to arrive this month
10 GIGATOPs

There are options on
45 Aircraft


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User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10763 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6710 times:

You can be sure one client is Cathay Pacific. The other one could be Dragonair.

User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6684 times:

Slight correction.

SQ now has 4 A340-500s, SGD delivered last weekend together with ValuAir's A320 VLB.



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User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6677 times:

Shame, I was hoping that the 744 would be returning, all flights I used with SQ over the last 3 weeks were full, some 777 flights could have done with 744.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6642 times:

Correction,

Singapore Airlines Limited has stated that only 3 LEADERSHIPs are in operation.

Col, where did you travel to?



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User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6556 times:

Ok then FYI for u.

9V-SGD did SQ522 today to CGK.



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User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1008 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6429 times:
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I wonder if Air India would be picking any up.

I also wonder if Thai would get any, especially after the UAL deal fell through. Then again, Thai and SQ don't always work well together, although they are part of the same (shaky Big grin ) alliance.

I think in the current aviation market conditions, only Asian carriers are interested in the B744.

Regards,

Wasim / Planemannyc


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10763 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6367 times:

"I think in the current aviation market conditions, only Asian carriers are interested in the B744."

Iberia will lease 9V-SMA and 9V-SMC from May. -SMA was the first 744 I´ve ever flown with.
Aerolineas Argentinas will receive 3 more 744s soon.


User currently offlinePouyazad From Iran, joined Sep 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6329 times:

I wish one of the airlines was Iran Air as they are really suffering from their old fleet.

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10763 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6212 times:

Again, I´m quite sure, its CX and possibly Dragonair. The press info says "These will be converted into freighters.", that rules out Thai.

User currently offlineND From Belgium, joined Feb 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6122 times:

Yes, there was a post not too long ago stating that Iberia had wet-leased 2 Singapore 744s.


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User currently offlineXwizard From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6107 times:

Na,

As CX operate an all RR 747 fleet, I'd be very surprised if they picked SQ's PW powered 747 for conversion to SF.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

52 JUBILEEs

8 JUBILEEs



SQ has only ordered a grand total of 59 Jubilees, not 60.


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10763 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6049 times:

Xwisard,

CX has to move away from RR-powered 744s as none are available secondhand. At least not the required number. The much-rumoured deal with BA didn´t work out as BA won´t sell so many. QF won´t sell a single one before the A380s arrive. And who else has pax-744s with RRs? Air NZ a few, SAA a handful. Not enough for CX, not available shortterm. It was in the news already last two weeks that CX would have to go shopping at UA or - SIA.

Maybe they´ll try to get the secondhand 744s for their pax fleet still with RRs later.


User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5797 times:

Singapore_Air

Started by having a meeting in Brussels, so used UA BDL-IAD-BRU. Picked up BMI BRU-LHR (new 319). Then got on real class and flew LHR-SIN-PEK (SQ 744/772). Came back on PEK-SIN (SQ772), spent two days at home in Sing (lived there from 94 to 97), then up to BKK (SQ744 9V-SMO regional 744), back on same SMO, then overnight in Sing for early flight back to LHR. Transited through hell at LHR up to MAN, to pick up BMI 332 flight to IAD and back to BDL.

I used to live on East Coast Sing, so rented a car to tour round as I had 4th April off. You cannot get past the maintenance hangers of SQ anymore, they have re-routed the road.

I use SQ as often as possible, you know what you are going to get, and using Changi as a hub is so relaxing. Use MAN for Europe where possible.

Where do you live in Sing?

Colin


User currently offlineGBOAF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5429 times:

Singapore_Air...

I work closely with SQ at LHR.

Currently the 744's operated into LHR range from reg's SMI to SPP inclusive!

Any idea which ones will be sold on??..I know its poss way too early!

However, SMI, SMJ, SMK, and SML are the odd ones out on the LHR route with a slightly diff config...i.e. emex etc,

Also, would previously leased a/c i.e. SMT come into the equation as well?? (remember this one well, as the ansett logo is still visable over the entrance to door 1 left!!)

Cheers, GBOAF



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User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5281 times:

Lets hope these 744's for CX are not like the A343's they got from SQ!! Seems SQ filled them with parts that need to be replaced!!

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9187 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4919 times:

Thought they have 30 in operations. What happened to the other two? Do they have new first/business class seats?

I hope when Boeing builds a new B 747 (If this EVER happens), we will see new 747s in SQ's fleet. Just my hopes/my 2 cents


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4808 times:

When I saw 8 744's being sold by SIA, something triggered. Despite bankruptcy protection, and all of the uncertainty that revolves around the company, in a bizarre twist, I wonder if AC will be the proud recipient.

Several months ago, a proposal by the VP of Flight Operations was put before the pilot group to acquire 8 - 744's with a provisional downgrade to 330/340 salary levels. Also, it appears that suddenly this weeks business model is to focus on international, particularly Asia and South America routes which are high yielding and lucrative.

What are the chances?? AC has no money to spend--it seems perfectly logical.



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User currently offlineAndrewtang From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

While I don't really mind if Cathay Pacific 744 operate with PW engines, I do hope they come in better shape this time unlike the A340-300 which had quite a lot of problems that need urgent attention and fixing after delivery. And most importantly I hope 9V-SMT DON'T get into CX/KA's fleet in anyway...





User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9187 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4606 times:

So which are the ones they plan to sell? After the sale, how many B 747-400s will they have? 28?

User currently offlinePhilsquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4552 times:

Please re-read the press release carefully. The 8 400s are going to be converted into freighters. So, that would rule out quite a few carriers that were names. It would leave CX. However, what about NWA getting them? They are a P&W operator, they have bought SQ a/c before and currently have 2 ex-UAL 200B SF in their fleet.

Just a thought???


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

When I saw 8 744's being sold by SIA, something triggered......I wonder if AC will be the proud recipient.

Rodney, I thought the same thing. I still think AC should look at replacing their 343 fleet with less expensive older 744s. As for the 345's......I simply cannot believe that they are cost justified.

I wonder if SQ was insistent on selling them only for cargo conversion?



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineDocpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4214 times:

Col: Singapore_Air is, surprisingly, not a Singaporean. He is British. As such he doesn't live in Singapore haha.

Well since the 744 is the only aircraft with the real 3-class premium product in SQ's fleet, does this mean that SQ is going two-class? Cos their Transcontinental 772s that have the spacebeds are only two class.

The Regional 772s that are configured in the Two or Three-class configurations do not have the "real" First or J class seats.

Since the regional 777s are put on routes as far away as Tokyo, Sydney and Istanbul (7-8 hours) it would mean that SQ has a rather weak product on its medium-haul routes on destinations to Australia, with QF fitting all Australia-SIN A330s with the Skybed.

For the first time in history, QF would have a stronger J product than SQ on ALL Australia-Singapore flights. (Discounting the daily 744s that SQ uses to SYD and MEL. PER, BNE and ADL will continue to see the regional 777s, as will 1-2 of the 3 daily SQ flights to SYD and MEL.)

=======
On a lighter note,

Since Singapore_Air has taken the liberty to christen the SQ A380s the Gigatop, allow me to enlighten you on other names he has come up with for SIA aircraft. (They all start with W)

Megatop: Woppy
Jubilee: Wubby
Leadership: Whippy
MegaArk: Warky

If any of you are interested in a tutorial as to how to effect proper useage of the above terms, in the words of the legend himself, DO TELL!

I would expect each and every one of you, henceforth, to use the above terms when referring to sacred SIA aircraft.


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4165 posts, RR: 36
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4128 times:

Don't rule out Lufthansa Cargo - they still have an interest in B747-400F/SFs, but LH's own B744 are currently completely tied up in Pax operations. No way for LHC to lay their hands on some of those.

Regards
Flying-Tiger
http://fly.to/rorders



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25 United Airline : Well since the 744 is the only aircraft with the real 3-class premium product in SQ's fleet, does this mean that SQ is going two-class? Not ALL of SQ'
26 Mrniji : I wonder if Air India would be picking any up. Only with a lease, not a purchase... buying a/c for the stateowned is a long process...!
27 Brubiac : >>And most importantly I hope 9V-SMT DON'T get into CX/KA's fleet in anyway... What's the problem with this one?
28 Post contains links and images Skymonster : Singapore already have at least 4 747-400s parked in the US - three at Victorville and one at Goodyear. Whilst these don't represent enough airframes,
29 Ex_SQer : Well since the 744 is the only aircraft with the real 3-class premium product in SQ's fleet, does this mean that SQ is going two-class? The 744 replac
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