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User currently offlineNDSchu777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 419 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

I know that the travel privileges are one of the huge perks of working at an airline. I had a few questions about this benefit that I hope some of the many airline employees on this forum could answer.

-How does it work? Do you just show up at the gate of a flight you want to non-rev on and hope there's an open seat or is it more involved than that?
-How often do you personally take advantage of this benefit?
-Can you non-rev on other airlines other than the one you work on? I heard you can but you pay an extremely discounted airfare. Is this true?
-Is there anything else interesting about non-reving you could tell?

Since I'm graduating college soon, I've been applying for several jobs, one with an airline. The travel privileges will be a huge selling point if I get that job offered to me and I just wanted to see if I could get a better idea if they're all their cracked up to be.

Thanks!
~Nick

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User currently offlineAA 777 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 807 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2423 times:
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1. Well you "meal-list" yourself on the flight (usually from work or the company website) and then just show up hoping for a seat. Though you can usually check the loads before you go.

2. 16 times this year already. 30 in 2003

3. Yes you can. You usually get an ID90 which is 90% off the FULL coach fare.

4. Its like the greatest thing around!

AA 777
Matt



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User currently offlineNDSchu777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 419 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

Matt, thanks for the answers. I was also wondering how well using the ID90 you mentioned works? Is it a little more trouble to fly on other airlines with that since I'm guessing you don't have access to load data for those flights. How easy is it to non-rev on international flights? Also, are there any other travel discounts you get in addition to airfare, like hotel, car rental, etc.

Thanks!
~Nick


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

These days ID90's and ID95's seem to be getting surpassed by zonal fares or ZED fares. These are generally fixed price tickets based on certain mileage criteria, and usually are significantly cheaper than ID90 etc.

I non rev pretty often, probably about 200 flights in the last 3 years.

J


User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3030 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

I'v done it once with Sabena. Most special experience I've ver had, sinc it was my birthday and I had a jumpseat ride on both flights!

Ivan

PS: Any idea on how it is non-reving with SWISS? I have some non-rev tickets, but don't want to get stuck during the 2nd or 3rd leg of a journey  Wink/being sarcastic



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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

At Virgin, you get 7 free tickets a year and 6 Service Charge Tickets the Free of charge tickets are free
****

At Continental, we get unlimited free travel.

J


User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

1. Normally you can have a look at the exact booking situation of your own airline flights and then make a choice if you want to go and try if they have a seat for you! When flights are overbooked you have a very good chance to get upgraded, providing that they are just enough overbooked and in right classes - I've flown in First 3 times with Economy non-rev ticket Big grin
For other airlines you get an overview from Amadeus or if you know their ID ticket office nubmber (if they have one) you can call them and ask!
As fun and cool all this sounds it's not that cool when you don't get a seat and you're trapped somewhere for several days on your way home - that can really suck! That's why you should always get few "back-up" tickets in case your primary route doesn't work! I been stucked in Maledives for 7 days and only reason we got out was that I got new tickets for different route sent to me by courier! Always have "back-up" tickets, specially if you are somewhere where they don't have your own airline ticket office!

2. This year I've flown:
5 x CPH-HEL-CPH
1 x CPH-TKU-CPH
1 x CPH-VIE-CPH
1 x CPH-LHR-CPH
1 x CPH-STR-CPH
1 x CPH-HAM-CPH
1 x CPH-FRA-SA - New York">JFK-FRA-CPH
1 x CPH-HEL-PVG-FRA-CPH

3. I work for a StarAlliance airline and I can fly with all SA partners as with my own airline. Normally in Europe (maybe it's different in US) all airlines uses so called zone tickets and as long as your airline has ID-interline agreement with other airlines you can also fly with them. The -90% rate is not really true for the zone tickets, I think it's more expensive! I'm not really sure how all this works never asked actually but I think all airlines are bit different - some offers even "free" tickets (you normally pay only taxes)! I work for cargo subsidiary - which gives you a chance to fly with freighter as well. Although now-a-days they don't take "holiday travelers" anymore (at least my airline) only if you fly on duty! Flying on a freighter is so cool - self service, eat when you feel like it and no tired f/a's trying to give you forced smile  Big thumbs up

4. My airline don't allow passengers to cockpit anymore (differs by captain but rule is no) but if you're staff you have a very good chance to get it! I just enjoyed a 747-400 landing to FRA on my trip back from China Big grin

5. Yes, you do get small discounts from hotels (specially from your airline crew hotels - which normally are very expensive) and car rentals. You also get cheaper "full-fare tickets" if you have good friends in you sales department  Smile

Hopefully you get your job in the airline you applied to!



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User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2278 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

With my airline you book yourself on the company intranet, where you can see the loads ahead of time. You show up at the gate. If there's room, you go.

I've non-revved a few times so far. I get unlimited non-rev flights for free, with the exception of international, where you pay taxes only.



Free-thinking, left-leaning secularist
User currently offlineN757KW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

The international carrier I work for offers several free passes a year, 10 ID90/75/50 passes, 10 reduced fare passes. We also get either ID90 or ZED fare passes from many other carriers.

The ID90 for US domestic travel is almost useless, you can buy tickets for the same price or cheaper. The ZED fares are almost always cheaper than the ID90. However, travel with these on other carriers is usually at the bottom of the standby list.

I usually travel 30 times a year mainly US Domestic, passes I get from my mother who retired from a US Carrier. I also will travel about 2-4 times on my own company overseas, mainly Southeast Asia.

Flying in the US is not bad if you plan ahead and pick the right flights and a high priority helps. I usually travel to Asia when no one else does, so I have yet to have any problems.

N757KW



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

My dad is now retired from Air India and since I'm well past the dependant cut-off age of 25, my NRSA benefits through him are severely reduced.

I am now eligible annually for 2 ID00 protected J-class systemwide RTs, 2 service charge systemwide RTs and Class D ZED benefits interline (only a handful of carriers notably AZ, OA, TP and LY extend class D benefits).

Back in the day, I used to have significantly more benefits and used to take significantly more advantage of them. I've probably logged about 1.5 million miles non-revving over the past 25+ yrs.


User currently offlineAirplanePeanut From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

Is there an age limit?


AP



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

Is there an age limit?

For employees, no.

For dependant children, it varies by airline - but it usually stays as long as you are a student or you reach the age of 21/25.


User currently offlineFlyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

I really had no idea you were that old B747-437B  Smile

Travel benefits are a great perk. Sometimes buying a ticket with peace of mind in certain markets is the right way to go.

jetBlue treats most airline employees the best. As they offer "jumpseat" to other airline crews if there is a seat open in the back of the airplane. Many of my co-workers depend on jetBlue to commute in and out of Florida. I always here praise about them.

Most U.S. based airlines offer their employees unlimited space available travel. At NWA it is free in coach after 5 years of employment. A small service charge is still the norm in the FC and WBC cabins.

Safe Flying  Smile



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8416 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2035 times:
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From what I've read on here the non-rev perks on US airlines are much more generous than SAA (maybe that's why some of them are in financial difficulty).

My wife gets 4 ID00 per year, plus unlimited ID90. This same allowance is available for me and if we had kids, for them too. In addition she gets 6 ID75 for anyone she knows. These are all valid on domestic or international. We can also get ZED tickets or IDs on other airlines that SAA have links with (roll on Star Alliance!). The SAA IDs are also valid on codeshare flights.




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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3690 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2014 times:
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Non-reving is the reason many people work in this industry. For example I commute between MKE and GRR twice a week. If you figure two walk-up roundtrips a week it ccomes out to $882.40 (as per midwestexpress.com). If you multiply that times fifty two weeks a year it comes out to $45,84.80 that's just for me commuting back and forth to work. If you figure leisure trips along with first class upgrades you're talking a lot of money. Non-reving is the greatest perk in the business. The hours and pay suck when you first start out, but anytime you complain just think about how much you get to fly for free. My girlfriend and I are going to London as non-revs this summer for $65.00, the cheapest ticket that I could find to buy was about $650.00. Being a non-rev is the best thing in the world. Just plan ahead, and be polite, if you do that there's no limit to where you can get to for free.


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User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

AirTran737 , Right on, CO has Unlimited Pass travel after 10 Years of service Coach Class is Free of charge..First after 25 years.. Boarding for the empty seats is by Date of Hire..and you can look up the loads in the computer or Internet, so you always have an idea if you can "make it" on a flite or not..Co has parr travel fees with WN and NW, and a few others the rest are ZED or ID90, and a few ID75's but that gets expensive but is good for back up..



User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

I really had no idea you were that old B747-437B

Still not coming close to you though!  Big grin


User currently offlineCanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

I'm surprised that so few of you have mentioned local agreements. As an airline employee at a Cat. X airport, I've never paid a SVC ever. The most I've ever had to pay was the airport taxes when I flew from SEA-YYC.

While I would have to pay some fees if I booked a flight on VS out of another airport, I could just pay the taxes on a BA ticket out of here, same with a number of international carriers that serve SEA.

I've always thought that althought airport ops people don't always get the recognition they deserve w/i the company, they sure do at the airport. We routinely get FA's, Pilots, corporate people, etc. from other airlines that buy ID90's or ID95's for an international flight, and I feel very fortunate to only have to pay the taxes. Thank God for local agreements!

You asked how they work, a couple examples of a local agreement (ID100)would be WN or NW. WN is by far the easiest airline to NR on. You build a rez, get ticketed, and they don't care where you are going or the routing, all they care is that you have a ticket. You can show up at the gate, list, they take the SEA-SMF ticket when your flying MCI-STL and your on if they have room. NW takes a paper ticket, that is more traditional for a NR flight. But rarely do they care what the routing is, they just want the paper ticket.




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User currently offlineNDSchu777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 419 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

Thanks for all the responses! The ability to non-rev sounds like an awesome benefit and if I end up working at the airline, I would definitely take advantage of it since I love traveling.

THANKS A LOT!
~Nick


User currently offlineSupraZachAir From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Feb 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1692 times:

My g/f is a Res trainer for QX. Gotta love having a sugar-momma! Non-revving=best thing ever. I can't remember what the fee is to non-rev to Hawaii on NW, I wanna say $75 or so. Gotta take advantage of that some time!

She does get to fly free with me on my lessons though, in the PA28 Warrior. Of course, I'm paying $113/hr. Oh well.


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Non-revving is pretty fun...I definitely have gotten to go some cool places with more to come because of it. As some have said, domestically it sometimes just makes more sense to buy tickets versus having to do all the research of loads and then the waiting and such, especially with airlines like B6 and Song driving prices so low. However, try finding a fare to Asia for $200 return cannot be done. So, in that respect it's great.

LH423



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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

Using ID90's or 95's can be great or as earlier stated, it can be a real pain in the ass. My boss traveled ATL-BOS on a ID95 a couple of weeks ago and she no sooner got to BOS only to realize she had to come right back. And missing work wasn't an option. She was not happy.  Big grin I'm traveling to LAS in July and needless to say, using a pass isn't really a healthy option. So, I'm going to use Skymiles and upgrade.  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

Flying Non-Rev or ID Stand-By is really not as great as it may sound like!

For me, I just HATE it!!! Especially Flying Stand-By with Lufthansa is really a hassle!

I try to avoid flying LH whenever possible, since ID travel with US carriers is much nicer and more friendly!
I don´t like the way you´re treated when on Stand-By with LH!
I will never understand why there is always that fight between flight crews and ground personell! My theory, it might be envy and resentment and obviously many of the LH ground staff like the feeling of having power and authority over others, especially F/A´s flying Stand-By and especially in FRA!!!
Never experienced such a impudent, outrageous and impertinent treatment on an American carrier!
But it´s not only ground staff, sometimes even the cabin crew is rude, which I think is really unbelievable, a shame and very inconsiderate and uncooperative!
And believe me, I´m the nicest person when it comes to airtravel no matter if stand-by or full fare, so there´s no reason for treating me like crap!

Plus Flying ID or Stand-By, isn´t always the cheapest option in Germany, since we don´t get any free tickets, only ID90 and we pay a lot of taxes and other fees! Very German!!!!
So those damn and "expensive" ID tickets are definetley not worth the hassle and annoyance!

Needless to say, that I don´t use it very often as I don´t really like it anyway!
I´m glad I don´t have to commute! I did 3 trips with LH flying Stand-By in the last 6 years, all of which where not only disappointing but a pain in the neck!!!
Beside that the few stand-by trips I had on other carriers such as DL and UA were fine!

I can only advise all stand-by flyers to really avoid LH!!! Believe me, they really don´t appreciate your business and they don´t even try to hide that fact! All they care for is senators!!!
Better go DL or UA or any other US carrier, or in Europe BA is an option!
I was totally surprised how friendly they were! Two thumbs up for BA, definetley my choice if it comes to ID travel here in Europe!

And due to the fact that LH don´t likes me when I´m an ID90, I don´t like them and they won´t get my business when I´m travelling full fare!!!
I´ve never been on a full fare ticket with LH in my entire life, and I definetley never, ever will!
Whenever full fare I fly and support those who treated me right as a stand-by!
This brought me SkyMiles Silver Medallion Elite status with DL (an awesome airline) and lots of free upgrades  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

It bothered me for so long and I´m glad, I finally got a chance to let it all out!
It was about time!

Thanks Nick for bringing up the topic... lol!!!

Best regards,

L1011Lover





User currently offlineHannigan From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Nonreving is great don't let people fool you. My plans this weekend for example:

4/18 - SAV-CLT-SXM (US)
4/19 - SXM-CLT (US) CLT-ATL-SAV (DL)

All it cost me was $10.10 for some immigration tax.  Big grin



We got planes! We got gates! What the hell!
User currently offlineAIRTRANsav From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

When I was a pilot for XJ, I non reved a lot, but now that I work at Fl, and live in Savannah, I don't at all, it is WAY too hard to get out. I guess if you work at a city w/ lots of flights, it is god, unfortunately SAV is not one of those.

Jase
SAV CCS


25 Post contains images Hannigan : Jase, You can get out in SAV, you just gotta be patient and have options. I may have to leave Saturday night to CLT to catch my 10A departure to SXM.
26 Post contains images Iflyatldl : Non reving isn't really bad...it just depends on the market you want to travel. Just have options in mind and overall it's pretty painless. Just be pr
27 An-225 : Non-revving is the best thing. I haven't done it for 2 months though, but I've flown to many places in US and met many interesting people. Can't beat
28 Jetdeltamsy : you become the sibling that sees the other siblings regularly. your parents get to go to florida for free. you go to london to christmas shop at harro
29 Liquid : Wow, No I'll really want to work for an airline ASAP. Thanks to all for the info! Liquid
30 AIRTRANsav : Hannigan, Yeah you can, however, I fly to BMI from here, and I fly AirTran....Until those pesky RJ's are gone, my odds are a lot slimmer....I use JAX
31 Post contains images Iflyatldl : My boss and I both have friends at DL and they give us passes. It can be pretty cool and sometimes, it has it's challenges. Still not bad! When I work
32 Bobb : To me non-reving isn't as it's cracked up to be. Sure, for your 18-20 yrs old, anything is great but..... Working in the airline industry, attendance
33 Post contains images DeltaGuy : It aint bad....when the day's full of open flights, it's smooth pleasureful sailing. But when it's Christmas break, or when you live in Florida like I
34 Post contains images Sprxflyswa : To answer in order: 1. At WN you either call the stupid long winded automated system or do it yourself at the airport. I prefer to do it myself so th
35 AirframeAS : Fly off-line on NW and you'll get those cool ID-95 tix! I did it once SEA-MSP-DLH/DLH-MSP-SEA for $83. This was back in 1998.
36 Av8rPHX : I think ID90s are becoming a thing of the past,at least at YV/HP. ZED travel seems to be the way to go now..
37 B747-437B : It's hard to put a value on nonrevenue travel because it usually fills the role of travel that wouldn't otherwise take place, rather than travel for w
38 Post contains images DeltaGuy : I seriously can't sleep tonight...anyways.... I've had my pass for 4 years now, hasn't gotten old yet, used it a few weeks after I got it, always some
39 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : I think you'll find that the majority of the folks here who claim that nonrev is the best thing since sliced bread are either new hires or dependant k
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