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Northwest A320 Replacements?  
User currently offlineRefueler1974 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 235 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4093 times:

Does anyone know, or have any ideas about, what Northwest might replace the A320 with eventually? I have been told that their 1st A320 is nearing it's 15th birthday (August 1, 1989). I do know that they are still good aircraft and they still have a lot of life left in them, but do you think that NW will start replacing the oldest airframes anytime soon? If so, what might be their successor?


The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.
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User currently offlineRockyRacoon From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 963 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4064 times:

DC9's will be replacing the A320s as their phased out. Big grin


peace


User currently offlineFrontiers4ever From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

Yeah they will replace them very soon with more DC-9's. Sorry couldnt resist. No they will probably be around for 20 more years, at least.

-Frontiers4ever



Until you prove, your right, your wrong
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

That's a pretty rhetorical question....if NW can keep their -9's for 30+ years, expect a NG a/c like a 320 to be around for 40+....but, at the retirement, the last 320 crew will be picked up by a -9 crew.

Northwest, the king keeper of airframes.

DeltaGuy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineRefueler1974 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4015 times:

Gee....here I was expecting them to go dust off some old B707s and bring them back into service.....just to supplement the DC-9s....lol


The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.
User currently offlineNwfltattendant From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

A320s will NEVER last as long as the DC9s. The DC9s are rock solid aircraft that be slamed around, abused, smashed, and then put back at the gate looking like a million bucks. So back to the original question. The DC9s will replace the A320s


Go yakkin !!!!!!
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

I was reading in another thread (757/767 Production) that NW 's MX guys find that the 320 sucks as it gets older..true?..so down with Airbus!  Big grin

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineGeg2rap From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 848 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

DC-9-40 for the 319
DC9-50 for A320
possibly a 717 or two in their but NW insisted they change the name to DC-9-60 or no go for Boeing.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3665 times:

Ive heard rumors about the complaints the NW mechanics have had about the A320 in general.....so it must be true. I wonder if they complain about the A319 too.




A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlineJeckPDX From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

At NW's current rate of a/c retirement, expect to see A320s to start disappearing around 2024.
 Laugh out loud

JeckPDX



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User currently offlineVSGirl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

Why would the A320 'suck' any more then another aircraft of its age? I think thats just silly.

Put I think its possible that NW will use the A320 way into my mid 2015!

But they look nice in their new livery (can you tell I am female)

Kimberly.


User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2093 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

The 320 will be with Northwest for a long time yet. They actually compliment the DC9 very nicely.

As for Airbus poor maintenance as it get older. It must be true, why else would CZ, jetblue, Frontier, and other 320 family users keep ordering in such quantity. They hate them, and their future maintenance costs will put them out of business in 10 years, it is all in their 10 year plans. Start airline or go to single aircraft fleet, run it for 10 years, sink it and open beach bar in Phuket. And we all thought they purchased because they were a good plane, which customers like, we must all look stupid!!

For my fellow Statesiders who love Boeing, the 380 could have more US content than the 7E7. Airbus should send more work to US instead of Japan, we buy their planes, the Japanese would prefer to buy a 707 over the 332.


User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

I don't think that it's even feasible to be talking about the replacement of NW's 320's now---they're still babies in the grand scheme of things. NW is happy with them and I'm sure that they are going to be around for a long time. This question is like asking what jetBlue intends to replace their 320's way the hell down the road from now. Who knows? (and no that is not an invite to make more speculative remarks)


Too often we ... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. - John Fitzgerald Kennedy
User currently offlineLuisinho From Portugal, joined Nov 2000, 229 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

hii folcks!!!

Reading all this posts... and this is not the only one... i get the ideia that some Boeing fans, unhappy with boeing's performance in market just came to this places to spread confusion saying that the X airline is not happy with this airbus, or that one is going to replace their new airbus, etc.

This type of thing really "sucks"... this is a hard "sucking".!!

I hate to hear that! Does any one ever heared that the X airline is going to change their new Boeing Model for an airbus?

But what drives me mad is that when somebody makes this never revel the source... just say that "i heared that....."!

Instead of trying to distroy the good work made by the european engineers, why don't you go to Boeing and give them ideias to build a new model?
They perhaps will thank you... and perhaps pay you!

Cheers  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3217 times:

Yes, back to topic ...

We don't really have a precedent in terms of judging the longevity of airbus aircraft as none of them are as old as the likes of the DC9. We could look at the early A300 and say there aren't many of these around (with pax carriers anyway) but I suspect that is as much to do with poor payload / range capabilities of these early aircraft and suspect economies rather than the physical condition of the aircraft.

Only time will tell whether the A320s last as long as some 737s / dc9s but I'm sure replacing these aircraft is the last thing NW fleet planners are thinking of at the moment. I'd say they've got 10 years before they even need to think about this and given NWs form maybe a little longer.



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12394 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3128 times:
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We could look at the early A300 and say there aren't many of these around (with pax carriers anyway) but I suspect that is as much to do with poor payload / range capabilities of these early aircraft and suspect economies rather than the physical condition of the aircraft.

Three words - three man cockpit.



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User currently offlineFlyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3077 times:

This is a comical thread. I needed a good laugh this morning. Thanks all !

NWA is still getting new A320 and A319 aircraft or at least has in the last year. So if anything. They would replace older 320 with new 320. I was just on ship 3315 (N315US) this past week. Still running like a champ and I think the manufacture date was sometime in 1990.

Safe Flying  Smile

Red Tail Airplanes Last Forever !



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2986 times:

For my fellow Statesiders who love Boeing, the 380 could have more US content than the 7E7.

Not could. Does. More of the 380 is sourced from the US than the 7E7.

N


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2961 times:

What about 757 replacements?

Some of them have been around since before the Republic Northwest merger. I remember Northwest starting to take them around 1984-85 so some are at least 20 years old. I know the old Republic ones went to America West


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2953 times:

NW 320´s will be replaced by A320-300X or the ER in the future Big grin

Michael//SE



Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2942 times:

Re: More of the 380 is sourced from the US than the 7E7.

That's genuinely interesting, I didn't know that. Could lead to a few new slogans...

Airbus A380 - "America's Airplane"
Boeing 7E7 - "Japan's Airplane"

 Laugh out loud


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2859 times:

NW will not replace the A320 anytime soon....nor even start thinking about it. The A320 is a good aircraft, quiet and roomy...although maybe break out some 727-100s!


The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
User currently offlineEAL757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2761 times:

You guys are all making great points...so can I raise this question:

what would you rather fly on, a DC-9 or an A-320? Stick me on a DC-9 anyday baby!

Unfortunately the last time I had the opportunity to fly on one was AirTran's ValuJet days--we actually flew on the one that crashed in the Everglades a few months before that incident...but of course, the plane wasn't to blame so stick me on the DC-9 anyday!

-Jeff


User currently offlineWorldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Ive heard rumors about the complaints the NW mechanics have had about the A320 in general. . ."

Oh? In general, you say? Don't you mean the very early V2525 powered aircraft which are susceptible to oil leaks? That was an engine problem rather than an airframe problem.

I've heard rumors that the 320V's are now treated like hot rods and are specially deployed where short runway performance is a factor. And that probably explains why they show up at DCA a lot.



User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

NW never had any V2525 powered aircraft, so I'm not sure I'm following you.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

If you mean at other places, sure.

I'm confused.

N


25 Post contains images Worldperks : Perfect example for both me and AirframeAS. Gross inaccuracy is the trouble with rumors. Here's how this rant goes. I was sitting in the passenger lou
26 Post contains images BR715-A1-30 : NW has ordered some former FL DC9s to replace some A320 aircraft Expect these to be refitted, rewired, and returned to service wearing NWA colors in 2
27 Richierich : Between 2010 and 2015, NW will probably need to think about replacing its earliest A320s. At that time, who knows how the market will look? Will NW ev
28 Post contains images Flyguyclt : 32V is an in house code for the 320's that were delivered with IFE. It has since been removed from those aircraft, however, the 32V is still the desig
29 Post contains links and images AviatorTJ : HlywdCtft- N501US Delievered to NW in April 1985 in the Orient livery. View Large View MediumPhoto © George W. Hamlin
30 AirframeAS : Perfect example for both me and AirframeAS. Gross inaccuracy is the trouble with rumors. All I was told (by a former NW mechanic) when I was with AS i
31 Post contains images FlyABR : i thought i read somewhere that NWA dc9s have the highest dispatch reliability out of all NWA aircraft...anyone know if this is true? maybe they shoul
32 Slider : Based on the last info I had, NW's DC9s did in fact have the highest dispatch reliability in the fleet. There is a caveat, however: there are more of
33 BR715-A1-30 : Those DC9s are Douglas jets, they are built like tanks. I ran into a NW Dc9 pilot in ATL, and he said he'd rather be flying metal than plastic.
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