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How Much Extra Would You Pay To Avoid A LCC  
User currently offlineEugdog From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 518 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4714 times:

Somebody said on the discussion on the demise of US Air said they would pay the extra $150 to avoid Southwest and go on US Air!

Is that really the sentiment of most people here? For a short domestic flight I probably would not spend more then $10 extra.

Does it really matter if the plane is not very clean for a 2 hour flight - it might matter for long haul but surely not for short haul.

To say that SW is the greyhound of the skies is silly - SW will get you to your destination just as fast as UAL or US Air - Greyhound is far slower.

The main benefits of the high cost airlines are to me - prebook seats and faster check ins especially for self service check in - OK maybe I will pay $20 more but that is the limit!!!

(the situation is slightly different in Europe because different airports become a factor to consider!)

[Edited 2004-04-15 11:21:56]

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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4683 times:

As an example, for LGW-NCE, BA minimum return fare is £69 and easyJet is £41, an extra cost of £14 per sector is good value for BA.

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4681 times:

For me it is more a question, how much I would be willing to spend for certain amenities on a short-haul flight.

There are only a few factors, which would convince me to fly a "full service" airline instead of a LCC if the fare of the "regular" carrier is similar or slightly higher:

- higher number of daily/ weekly frequencies --> more travel options

- seat allocation upon check-in --> I just hate stress

- frequent flyer mileage --> unless it is just laughable, e.g. the new LH mileage on discounted short-haul tickets is between 125 and 500 miles/ segment

I would be willing to pay 30-40 Euro more for a return trip of up to 1 hour/ segment and maybe 50-60 Euro for a longer return flight of over one hour block time for those amenities.


[Edited 2004-04-15 11:34:44]


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User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4664 times:

The important thing for me is not the onboard service, or the "clean" aeroplane, but rather the queues, the waiting and the restrictions. Low-cos often don't have many check-in desks open per flight and don't have self-service check-in meaning longer queues, they don't offer same day return check-in meaning queuing again and getting to the airport early coming back, they won't through-check me or bags if I'm doing connections, they want you to be at the airport much earlier, they subject you to that mad dash to the aeroplane if you want a good seat, they nit-pick about the size and weight of my camera/laptop bag much more than do full service carriers, etc.

Basically, the "normal" carriers are generally a much lower stress experience than the low-cos and that can be worth quite a bit to me. So I avoid the low-cos as much as possible, and only when the cost-case is overwelmingly compelling to I use them. As an example, I travel to Geneva fairly regularly and if I book well in advance EasyJet EMA-GVA can be very cheap. However, Duo on BHX-GVA often have a £59 all in each way fare available, with all the frills. So Duo costs double or more what Easy charge when they're cheap, but I'd take Duo every time. Added to which, the parking at BHX is cheaper than EMA, so the cost difference erodes to some degree.

Andy


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4613 times:
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That's why I like jetBlue. Lower fares, good inflight service, and I can pick my seats ahead of time. With SW, I hate the cattle call so much, I always get there early and I have always been in the top 10 on the boarding.


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4601 times:

Depends on the airport distance from civilization too. Stansted-Skavsta is just horrible compared to Heathrow-Arlanda.

I would happily pay up to €50 extra round trips for BA or SK over FR.



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4591 times:

You've been in the top 10! Didn't the parents with young children beat you to it?

User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4575 times:

Apparently very few people are willing to pay more to avoid a LCC, judging by the undercutting of prices by most of the US majors.

User currently offlineRichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 718 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Hi

I live in North East London and by far the best airports for me are Luton or Stansted. For a flight inside europe I would pay more to fly from one of these airports on a LCC than sent 2 hours each way on the tube to Heathrow to fly on BA etc.

Rich



User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4491 times:
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Richardw,

Fortunately, on the ELP-LUV, and PHX-SAN flights, there just were not enough small children to worry about. From PHX I started flying AWA exclusively because of the preassigned seats. Who needs the hassle?



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User currently offlineGaleaocumbica From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4474 times:

I agree with Richcandy

I won't pay more for a short flight.

The only thing I check before buying a ticket from any airport in London is the price of the transport to and from the airport.

Airport trains are very expensive in London (i.e. a return ticket to STN can cost GBP 26.00) and this is the final point for me.

LHR has a very easy access by underground but flights usually are more expensive than the LCC's.

I already flew about 10 times with the LCC's around here and I always had nice and safe flights.

So, you from London, check and re-check the fares before buying your next ticket!  Smile

Cheers

GaleaoCumbica


User currently onlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 900 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

Since the LCCs I have flown, Southwest, JetBlue, AirTran and Spirit have new (or in Spirit's case, not too old MD80s) airplanes, decent legroom and overall good service in my opinion, I wouldn't pay anything extra to avoid them. I like them a lot!

Doesn't mean I don't fly main carriers, though. I recently took a trip out to Oakland, California and AA not only had a fare as low as anybody's, they had the most convenient connections so I used them. If a main carrier gives me a more convenient schedule I'm willing to pay a little extra.

But pay extra JUST to avoid an LCC? No way, based on my experience with the above mentioned LCCs.

cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineATLhomeCMH From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 770 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4381 times:

I was the one who made those comments, and actually, they weren't toward LCCs in general...just Southwest.

In fact, if you read the forum here... http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1513382/

...you'll see I make it clear that LCCs like AirTran and JetBlue have mastered the idea of an LCC with great "perks" and efficient travel options, while still maintaining low fares.

So, if you compare Southwest with other LCCs, Southwest just doesn't add up.

...so, would I pay an extra $100 to $150 to fly either another LCC or a major carrier? Darn right I would, since I believe the experience of a flight is more than just a dirt cheap fare.

[Edited 2004-04-15 16:47:45]

[Edited 2004-04-15 16:48:18]


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User currently offlineTripseven From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

All else being equal in terms of airports and time of day... I'd pay exactly $0.00 more to fly a major. Lowest bidder wins.

User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4339 times:

depends. I'll pay a small premium for UAL (miles, ch9), and and even smaller premium for DAL (miles). When I'm moving I'd pay a significant (thoguh I've never had to) premium to fly WN becuse of their baggage policy (70x3!!).

In Eyuope I payed a premium to fly Iberia over Ryanair, and definately regretted it, though thats partialy travelocities fault (since when was Orly CDG? grrrrrrrrrr)



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User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4326 times:

I'd pay up to 10% more, mainly for the preassigned seat and the FF miles.


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User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

I'd pay 10-20% more (depending on the route) for FF miles and seat selection. Between the LCCs, I would always pay more to fly Airtran or JetBlue than WN, who I will never fly again. My time is more important than standing in line two hours before the flight. Also, I don't have time for their on-board games.

User currently offlinePortcolumbus From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1614 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

None. If I get from point A to point B in one piece, I'm satisfied.

User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

Im still waiting for your post here Pe@rson Big grin How much extra would you pay? Or will it never happen  Big grin

I would fly any LCC except for FR again if its cheaper than my non-rev Big grin


User currently offlineNorthwestair From Poland, joined Jul 2001, 647 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

I prefer to fly the Legacy Airlines, cause if the flight is delayed or Cnld I can get rebooked to another airline with no problem at all. On the LCC if your flight is Cnld your at their mercy most of the LCC have no ticket aggreement with other airlines. Grant it most of the times I just Non-Rev to my destinations,but when I travel to Florida I prefer to buy a ticket.


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User currently offlineMriya From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

AirTran has done an excellent job in being a LCC. When I fly to Florida I prefer AirTran over USAir. The service is excellent, the queues aren't bad (mostly because I use the online check-in feature!) and the planes are very comfortable. I would definitely avoid WN save for shorter flights. The queues I see on "Airline" are definitely not my cup of tea and I would pay extra to avoid that. Not $100 more if I can avoid it, but I would do my best to find an alternative. For the LCCs in Europe I think I would avoid FR unless using those out-of-the-way airports are what I need. I would gladly try EasyJet or SkyEurope or WIZZ (Hungary is my most common destination).

A bit off topic, but I will pay a bit extra to fly KLM overseas versus other airlines.

Another reason I would pay extra to avoid WN: I like to listen to the regular sounds of the planes, not WN's Super Fun Happy Singsong Shenanigans Time. Fun on TV, not when I'm up there.



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User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

Another reason I would pay extra to avoid WN: I like to listen to the regular sounds of the planes, not WN's Super Fun Happy Singsong Shenanigans Time. Fun on TV, not when I'm up there.

If anything in the Airline show is done for the benefit of the cameras, the shenanigans are it. In all my flights, while I have head humourous announcements and an occasional "game" on longer flights (which took less than 10 minutes), I haven't been subjected to a two hour floor show by the FA's. Even to "touristy" destinations like Las Vegas or Orlando. As for the humor in the safety briefing...betcha more people pay attention to those than they do the "in the event of a cabin depressurization, secure your oxygen mask first, then those of your children" type of scripted safety speeches.


User currently onlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4470 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

I would not spend an extra penny to avoid an LCC unless I had a legitimate reason. I'll fly on an LCC just as happily as any other airline, and I dont buy into this "LCC's are trailer trash" stuff. I'm actually quite disappointed in some of our members who think that way. Come on.


Now, I had the chance to fly either DL or WN to PDX this summer. I chose DL, you know why? Because I'd get to fly on an MD-90. I also paid a bit more for the ticket. It wasnt avoiding an airline, it was avoiding yet another boring 737, to experience an MD-90 for the first time. Had DL been flying just 733s on the route, I might have taken WN afterall.


I had the opportunity to fly a whole host of airlines, LCC and not, to florida this year. I decided to fly Frontier. Their fares, were more expensive on the route than the competition. but I was willing to pay more just for the experience of flying F9 for the first time. A LCC!

But at the very last minute, F9 raised their fares even higher, beyond my budget, and I ended up booking DL instead, who were priced much lower. I seriously considered NW as well, but they had no IFE, and for a flight of that length, I wanted IFE.


Now I'm about to book a flight to california, and the choice is really between HP, which is a quasi-LCC, and Alaska, which is definitely not a LCC. I'm happy with either of the two, because either way, I get at least two new aircraft types, and the experience of flying on a new airline.


These are deciding factors for me:

1. Aircraft type
2. Connections/Arrival times
3. Airline
4. Cost
5. View from the air on routes
6. Onboard IFE/service, depending on flight length (irrelevant on short flights)
7. Reputation of the airline

In roughly that order.

[Edited 2004-04-15 18:27:29]

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13029 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

I have even paid a higher price (like $50-60) to fly on one major over another because of issues of the time. For example, In 1997, not long after the TWA 800 disaster, they offered a $50 lower fare vs another major I did choose, so I chose the other major (CO). I would say I would pay 10-15% more for using a major vs. an LLC or one major over another on longer flights, maybe 20-30% more on a shorter flight. I would also balance the prices as to if the major offered more frequent and reliable service, is a non-stop, or in/out of airports more convenient at both ends of the flight.

User currently offlineMriya From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

As for the humor in the safety briefing..

That's pretty much the only time when I would welcome it. Anything that holds the attention of the pax for those brief minutes. Much more than that and it's all tourist fodder. I could be wrong, but I thought I'd read here that some people's flights on WN were chock full of this stuff. In any case, I still wouldn't opt for the cheaper WN fare, unless I was guaranteed one of the Shamu craft as I am a big fan of orcas and of (the unfortunately long-dead) Shamu himself.



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25 Kl911 : If I had a choice I would pay EXTRA for a LCC, because I like to reward them for their efficient, friendly service. And the meal service...... well, I
26 ChiGB1973 : Based on what I have read, the Europeans are letting the LCCs get away with too much. In the states, the LCCs have a much better product than the lega
27 Aloha717200 : The product on B6 and F9, I would wager, is far superior to alot of what the majors offer, for a higher price. On F9's longer segments you can get a w
28 Post contains images BMAbound : If the difference was more than a few bucks, I wouldn't transfer from a LCC. I mean, they don't fly 12 hr sectors anyway, so just buckle up and enjoy!
29 Starlionblue : ChiGB1973, I would agree with you that EuroLCCs are less serviceminded than US ones. At some Ryanair airports, it's very much like herding cattle into
30 Eugdog : As the LCC greatest champion on this web site I have been surprised at how little people will pay extra for a legacy airline. In Europe I find LCC mor
31 Airbazar : I've never flown on a LLC but that's probably because of where I live: BOS. We do have more choices for LLC nowdays but the fares would have to be sig
32 TomFoolery : It is important to keep in mind that there are more LCC's than Southwest and Ryan air. Quite a few LCC's do permit one to reserve seats. There are oth
33 SNATH : I have never flown a LCC and, hopefully, I never will. Unless the asking price is way too high (i.e. my left kidney or kinky sexual favours for the lu
34 Mriya : Unless the asking price is way too high (i.e. my left kidney or kinky sexual favours for the luggage handlers) I will always fly a legacy carrier. And
35 Post contains images Aloha717200 : I have never flown a LCC and, hopefully, I never will. Unless the asking price is way too high (i.e. my left kidney or kinky sexual favours for the lu
36 Post contains images SNATH : Mriya, (good user name BTW, I love that beast!!!!!!) I usually fly long-haul (mainly transatlantic, did a couple of transpacific last year too). Usual
37 Elwood64151 : What an absurd question, particularly here in the US, where any difference in service levels on coach fares is essentially non-existent. Flying an LCC
38 DoorsToManual : I try to fly as cheaply as possible, but would pay more to avoid flying unsociable hours; other than that, I'm flexible.
39 DeltAirlines : I've paid over $100 before to fly Delta over Southwest down to Florida...I would do it again too. The simple reason is that on Delta, I have Medallion
40 Post contains images Aloha717200 : DeltA, And that also depends on where you're flying from. I mean, if you're flying to Florida from SLC, it would not be wise to fly WN for that length
41 Tommy767 : Actually this question really doesn't apply too much to me because EWR does not have a large "fortess" of LCCs. Even when I have checked from nearby a
42 Dtwclipper : I will never fly on an LCC. I flew Peoplexpress once in the '80s and begged my father to send me back to school on TWA. I fly NW, CO, KL and their par
43 Mia : I would pay up to 25% more of the LCC price to fly on a real-carrier. I dont like companies that take advantgae of me so I think that 25% more than LC
44 SNATH : DeltAirlines and Dtwclipper, Amen to that. Glad to see I'm not the only one. Tony
45 Yhmfan : Aloha727200; But for short hops that wouldn't give you much service anyway, nor a meal, there really isn't much difference between what the majors off
46 Sccutler : I base my air travel purchase decision upon rational factors- schedule, fare, comfort, respect, safety, flexibility. Southwest is nearly always the fi
47 Emmett99 : If I had to get there and the only option was double fair on a major or SWA, I would pay double or drive. If I had other LCC choices, AirTran Jet Blue
48 Post contains images Mriya : SNATH: Thanks! She looked even sexier when carrying Buran I've had the screaming kids and "but these don't count as carry-ons, dont they?" deal on leg
49 SNATH : Hey Mriya, Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that when flying a legacy carrier you totally avoid the screaming kids (faaaaaaar from it). However, I c
50 SailorOrion : In the U.S., I pretty much don't care about the airline... However, in Europe I try not to use LCCs if possible, and I definately do NOT fly LCCs when
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