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User currently offlineSpoon04 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 180 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

It seems as though each day brings additional reports of drunken/disruptive passengers impeding the normal operations of commercial flights. These incidents range from inebriated individuals shouting obscenities to actual physical and violent confrontations with fellow passengers and flight crew members. What should the punishment be for these individuals who threaten the safety and security of airliners at altitude, and what types of measures can be implemented to reduce and minimize these extremely volatile situations?

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User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2453 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1956 times:

Breathalizer at the door!!!  Nuts

You could deny him/her boarding from future flights from that airline or airport. Its been done at TOL.

If it were up to me, I would take the skinny part of a fishing pole...you know...the real flexible part  Acting devilish Then when people act out of line or are intoxicated, I would just pop them on the neck. That way, they would learn how to behave.  Big thumbs up

XJR



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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

A breathalyser at the door is actually not a bad idea at all. It would prevent people who were too intoxicated being able to board, and would mean that any issues of people becoming intoxicated during the flight could only be attributed to the airline, not the bar at the airport. Of course breathalysers arent 100% accurate, but when used with good judgement, I think they are a useful way to solve, in part anyway, an annoying, costly and dangerous problem.

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlineBritPilot777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

I Agree with the breathalyser at the door idea. But the problem is, a lot of passengers do get drunk and therefore disruptive on board the aircraft itself.

Maybe a good idea would be some sort of limitation of alcohol on board, such as 2 small bottle of vodka max or 2 bottles of wine with dinner.

Anyone else agree?



Forever Flight
User currently offlineAirdude66 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

Air travel keeps fascinating me more and more everyday. Especially the following issues.

1. The majority of the passengers on board are allegedly ADULTS. Yet they can not remain seated for 90 minutes to 2 hours. Some can not even tolerate 30 minutes.

2. These alleged adults can not even plan ahead enough to use the roomy spacious facilities within an airport terminal. Instead they can't hold it for an hour and either disregard the seat belt sign or stink up the cabin by electing the lav on board.

People have managed to put away their cigarettes for a couple hours while flying - WHY can't these alleged adults go a coulpe of hours without a drink? Why even serve them 2 - just eliminate it. Besides it is proven that the effects of alcohol are exacerbated by altitude so it would also bbe in the passengers best interest.

Side thought - If there were no alcohol on board, maybe these so called adults could manage to remain seated for the duration of their flight!


User currently offlineSpoon04 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

There may come a time when in fact, alcohol is eliminated completely from airport/aircraft environments. The concourse bars are prime feeding grounds for disruptive-prone passengers. I can't think of any news report I've read where alcohol WASN'T a contributing factor pertinent to violent behavior on board commercial aircraft. I truly feel adults should be able to go up to half a day without booze. I'm just afraid that the situations may escalate to the point where a fatality at altitude will occur. Then watch the lawsuits fly (pardon the pun).

User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13004 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

I would suggest that gate agents have available to them a handheld 'quickie' breathalizer, that could at least give the gate agent an unbiased way to determine if a suspected pax is intoxicated at a level to be a danger to themselves or a danger or annoyance to other pax. Similar units are used by police in various parts of the world to screen if a driver of a car is under the influence. The standard to board the aircraft should be the same as in a car - i.e. 0.8 in the USA. Now if WN used this a few times on the show "Airline"! I do believe in allowing the serving alcoholic beverages on flights, but perhaps all pax should have to pay for them, even in first class. Growing numbers of people don't drink or choose not to drink alcoholic beverages on an airplane, so why should we all subsidies it.
The other problem are the persons whom are using legal drugs illegally or illegal drugs and under the influence from them. It is difficult unless a trained medical professional to determine if such a person truly under the infuence here.
There are also many pax whom are just plain jerks - even when sober. There is also the issues of mentally ill or emotionally unstable person on an aircraft. How do you determine who is such and deal with it.
There should be international agreements as to how to deal with disruptive pax, with levels of procedures to determine if the problem is not under the pax's control or just deciced to get ripped on booze before or during the flight. Jail may be the only way to deal with the most disruptive, especially if the person has to be restrained or causes an emergency diversion. There was a case in August 2000 on WN where a mentaly disturbed pax tried to get into the cockpit, the other pax restrained him, broke his neck and HE DIED! The court in Texas never proscuted anyone in anyway for his death. Guess it would have been difficult to get witness to determine how the guy died. That may be one extreme way of dealing with the problem, but we want to find ways to prevent such an escalation.


[Edited 2004-04-16 04:25:32]

User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6202 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1733 times:

Checking people's breath at the boarding door!?!?!?! How many more customers do you want to drive off? I'll avoid your airline altogether just to avoid the humilliation!

What should be the punishment? How about a spanking!



Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

Punishment?

they are banned from flying a certain airline.
don't think this can happen? We already have no fly lists, have to call and clear the person, once your a black balled, they might think twice about being an ass.



UAL 777 CONTRAIL


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16975 posts, RR: 67
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

Breathalizer is a good idea, but only if the pax appears inhebriated. It's a good way to prove to the pax why he should not be allowed boarding.


"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineAirdude66 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1592 times:

LTBEWR

I see your point, but flying is only 1 option.

If an individual has mental/emotional issues which MAY cause them to act out or on some type of prescription medicine etc. - this is not my fault and an entire plane full of passengers should not have to be inconvenienced as a result of 1 persons issue. They know they have a problem and if they elect to fly then suffer the consequences. These people's families and caregivers should also be held responsible. After 9/11 - if a crazy person tries to enter the cockpit in flight, YES, they should be subdued - at ANY cost.

People must be held accountable for their own actions and if they are not competent they should not fly or be required to travel with an attendant!


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