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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 23
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3468 times:
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I just completed a transcon trip SFO/JFK/SFO recently and because I was traveling for pleasure, I was sitting in Economy but just two rows from the Business Class cabin divider. As part of United's revised security procedures, curtains have been removed from all aircraft. While only a flimsy piece of cloth, these curtains once kept (most) passengers within their assigned cabins.

On UA's 767 aircraft, it is impossible for Economy class passengers not to notice the three classes on board, since all passengers enter from the forward boarding door and must walk through the First and Business cabins to get to Economy. The United F/A's on both flights remained extremely pleasant, but did not shy away from turning passengers around. The Economy passengers who were turned away from going forward into Business Class seemed visibly insulted. This,despite P/A announcements shortly after takeoff remininding passengers to use the lavatories assigned to each cabin.

While there have always been the intrepid few who wander blithely forward, ignoring the cabin curtain dividers, it seems the absence of these curtains has now generated a noticeable increase in the number of passengers wanting to use the facilities in other classes. I'm wondering how much the removal of the curtains has added to F/A's workload in policing the cabin separations.

Any F/A's care to comment?


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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3440 times:

Whilst on the subject it is hard not to notice the curtain dividers on Singapore Airlines. However, I blantantly ignore them and proceed towards the Raffles Class toilets. Most of the time I get away with it with no hassel. Otherwise, it's an opportune time for a Singapore Girl to confront me and see how well she performs - of course - very politely and warm as always.

If there has been an announcement for people to stay within the confinements of their cabins then passengers should respect that and stay put. To be visibly insulted when knowingly trespassing onto another class of travel's ambience is quite silly and it's not the cabin crew's fault if passengers ignore their announcements.

For shame.



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User currently offlineKilavoud From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

I had the same experience on Dec 27, 2003, when flying on SQ SIN-ZRH, seat No. 33D. On all my previous flights with SQ I was sitting more behind the plane or upstairs with a free upgrade.

As the curtain separating Economy and Raffles was not closed, I decided short after taking off to try the next lavatories ( those with the round "disabled person" label on the door) and went forward and left, and my steps took me to the lavatories, and only once inside I realized, when looking at the small orchid arrangement, that I had entered a place belonging to the Raffles Class.

When leaving the lavatories I was face to face with as SQ FA who explained to me that I should not do it again and to give more emphasis to her teaching she eventually not smiled to me. I just smiled and went back to my seat and could see how the curtain was immediately closed behind me.

I will of course not repeat this small oversight but I must tell that it was funny.

Cheers. Kilavoud.



User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3261 times:
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Any F/A's care to comment?


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User currently offlineGVROYphx From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

Hey guys,

Just started on this forum today. The cabin dividers are a federally mandted issue...not airline specific. All carriers are having problems with having increased traffic in areas (first class) where they shouldn't be. Best thing to do is give the cattle a dirty look when they come up to the front  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Roy


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

CO has installed see-through navy curtains on their aircraft between F and Y. On my flights to EWR-PVR and back, no one from coach came up to F with the new curtains. However, when they had nothing, there was much more foot traffic in the F cabin.

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9497 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

I was on a UA 763 three class plane (LAX-ORD) a few days ago in business class. It was just before the meal service, and there was a cart blocking the Business class lavatory, so the FA told me to go to the first class lavatory, which I was promptly told was for first class passengers only by the purser. It seems that it is a huge deal for flight attendants, which were seemed to be on their toes about keeping people out of certain areas.


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User currently offlineGVROYphx From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

First class or Biz class....do FA's realize that it's just a bathroom?

User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3169 times:

As stated above, the curtains are a TSA rule, not the rule of the specific airlines. That said, Continental designed their own curtains, and at this point are the only US airline that are actively allowed to have a curtain divider..

J


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3125 times:
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I've seen airlines in Europe install a tensa-barrier accross a bulkhead, which obviously will restrict traffic between cabins without reducing visibility.

British Airways used to istall a red rope accross the bulkhead between Club and Word Traveller on long-haul flights, in addition to the curtain, to stop economy passengers sneaking into Club to use the toilet.

Without the curtain either of the above would seem to solve the problem...

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineFlyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

Flight Attendants do indeed know it is just a bathroom and do indeed know that this is F.A.A. and company sercurity policy now. So please stop trying to see how polite we will be when you test the system.

Safe Flying  Smile



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User currently offlineDelta07 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

I can understand why some see it as "a lavatory is a lavatory" but those folks in first and business class desire to not have all the people traffic up and down the aisles during a long flight, slamming lavatory doors and such. It makes it harder for F/A to deal with a high-paying first class customer who gets bent out of shape because needs to use the lavatory but it's being occupied by someone from the rear of the aircraft.

Don't make a fuss, just wait your turn. I've been a passenger on both sides of the curtain before  Smile

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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

TSA is requiring coach passengers to use the back. It is to help the traffic around the Flight Deck Door.

Also its ONLY Fair for our valued passengers to have a free lav for their use. Nothing makes me angry than have to apologize to a FIRST class or Business Class passenger for waiting for a COACH passenger to get out of the lav!

The back and forth traffic through 1st class is VERY distractive for FC passengers.



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User currently offlineMriya From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

On my latest transatlantic KLM flight aboard one of their 744 combis, people totally ignored those curtains and wandered to whatever lavatory they chose. Coach passengers were allowed to mill around upstairs even and use the staircase for stretch exercises. No one caused a disturbance and it seemed all were respectful and overall quiet. The F/As encouraged people to get up and move about to maintain circulation and overall comfort. In fact, the curtains were open for most of the flight save for the nearly the very end. I wonder if someone in business class complained.. it was after that though that I was able to go upstairs. I asked the F/A who was up there, and she said I could come up but that there isn't anything much to see. She let me hang about for a bit (really she didn't even pay me any heed after she answered my question) and I then left on my own accord.

I enjoy this system over those of other airlines who try to keep the classes as separate as possible, provided those wandering into other classes remain respectful and quiet. The flight in general was a very quiet one, and I think this added to the F/As leniency. On Monday I will see if things are the same on my return flight.



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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

MRYA

Its called respect for the Frequent fliers. The truly valued passengers. They have a RIGHT to have no traffic coming and going. They DESERVE no traffic...not waiting for a LAV as they are paying THOUSANDS of dollars. Even *IF* they are on an upgrade, they have spent THOUSANDS of dollars in coach.

Taking care of the core Business traveler is a MUST. So a coach passenger gets ticked off about being asked to use the one in back....big deal...and which cabin are they seated in, COACH.



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User currently offlineFlyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2929 times:

With all do respect. KLM is a Netherlands based airline. They have different rules to follow. AGAIN, this is a new security directive U.S. based crews must follow. PERIOD. If you have a problem with it. You can always voice your opinion to www.faa.gov I am sure they will be happy to provide you with a forum of conversation...


Safe Flying  Smile



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