DC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4293 times:
"Aviation enthusiasts are watching the activities of the airport everyday and their legitimate interest can only be to our advantage. They may see someone they don't recognized as part of their community whose interest in the airport is not genuine."
About time someone actually realized that! Great news!
Teahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5310 posts, RR: 61
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4162 times:
What next? Will spotters also have to start wearing some kind of symbol?
I don't like this move one bit. What about those spotters without ID cards, will those be harassed and/or asked to move along? What about those of us at BAA airports only for the day, weekend or afternoon?
Realistically, this is the BAA taking away, most definitely not ‘giving’. Reminds me of that recently installed ‘obervsation deck’ at LHR.
Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17242 posts, RR: 67
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4125 times:
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. This is a great idea and works well. If these things don't happen, police will start to shoot on sight soon.
BTW I emailed "Larry King Live" and proposed this as a topic with the following text:
This is a proposal for a topic. It's about perimeter security at airports.
As you know, there are several proposals in the works to tighten it further. These proposals are all pretty costly. Further, they alienate true aviation enthusiasts ("spotters") who sit around outside the fence and take pictures as part of their hobby. These spotters have often, in the past, reported suspicious or even dangerous activity to the police, thus helping law enforcement and tightening security at no cost.
My proposal is to air this topic in a program, with representatives from the spotter community, as well as federal and airport security officials.
For some more background info, I refer you to a thread on the Airliners.net message board: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1514466/ and a thread on the Senator John Kerry message board: http://forum.johnkerry.com/index.php?showtopic=16872&hl=
The programs spoken about are in place at several large airports, including Vancouver.
I would be happy to assist in finding a few spotters.
AirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1437 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3983 times:
Good for the BAA!
I along with a few others are working to have our organization's ID card recognized so our members can have trouble-free spotting around YYZ.
We're close to announcing more info very soon.
Keep an eye out at http://www.yyzspotter.com for more info in the coming weeks.
Voodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3817 times:
The LAAS article doesn't explain how one goes about applying for a card.
Its `an idea'.... but I am not sure I like the notion of some spotters who happen to be part of `an organization' suddenly feeling able to decide who is one of them and who should be open to harrassment by them or by the friendly neighbourhood coppers. The jury is still out on this one.
Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17242 posts, RR: 67
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3776 times:
Sammyhostie, I'm aware that they won't be able to go airside. However, if they have to do a version of the same background check as airside personnel I would feel reasonably confident to have the outside the perimeter fence with a camera.
"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
Ben From Switzerland, joined Aug 1999, 1391 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3707 times:
BAA are bastards.
BAA don't care about you. BAA don't care about anyone. BAA only care about making money. They are sly bastards.
I am not giving my details to anyone that I don't have to. They can take a running jump.
You have no more or less access, and no more or less rights if you have the card or not. Why would anyone want to get it? To feel like they are part of a 'brotherhood'? "We are all flighting the evil terrorists together! Here's my card to prove it." Everyone wants to be a hero.
BAA, the government, and anyone else it suits on any particular day are just playing us all for gullible, ignorant fools.
BAA are no different than the railways. A bunch of fat-cats who can't help to get rich. They're milking it dry, giving nothing back, and when/if something goes wrong (which is unlikely since with an absolute monopoly they can't not make money) they will all just retire to the Bahamas.
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3685 times:
For those who think this will only benefit those with ID's, I don't believe that is the case. I too am involved with YYZSpotter, and our goal is not only to allow our members to spot without as many hassles, but also to promote spotting so that everyone can enjoy it. I truly believe that anyone will benefit from this, and it is not intended to be an elitist cult banishing the occasional spotter from enjoying their hobby.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
Skyguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 492 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3565 times:
Ben: Hmm... I recall there being a glass-walled room on the terrace on top of T2 at LHR, there were toilets there and a small cafe. Has it all been shut down? On a Sunday you could find anything upto 50 regular spotters with cameras, radios etc. etc. spending time there. Perhaps other BAA managed airports do not have this but LHR T2 definitely did and to my knowledge still does. You can of course choose to go and try various car parks and other corners around LHR, but get anywhere near the fence and one of the police cars that patrol the perimeter road will shoo you away.
As for perks, I guess you are right, nothing there except they may not interrogate you so much if you do end up prowling around roads and spots where others normally don't go to and the BAA police find you.
"Those who talk, do not know, and those who know, do not talk."
: What a stupid and completely unworkable idea. Heathrow gets hundreds, if not thousands, of day tripping spotterts each year from all over Europe. Now
: I recall there being a glass-walled room on the terrace on top of T2 at LHR, there were toilets there and a small cafe. Has it all been shut down? Yes
: If I'm not mistaken... you need a FCAA Photo ID in Helsinki to be allowed to take pictures around the airport - at least you need it if you are airsid
: "For those who think this will only benefit those with ID's, I don't believe that is the case. I too am involved with YYZSpotter, and our goal is not
: I don't think I like the idea, but it's certainly better than a 'no spotting allowed' rule.
: Can also foreigners get the card? I would imagine that it would only be available for people that live in the UK, so probably no to your answer Im afr
: DABZF, nope, there's no need for any kind of an ID card for spotting.. -VR-
32 Flying Belgian
: From what I've read on BAA's website, I find the idea pretty cool. Let's hope evryone will be pleased this time. FB.
: GKirk asked "Great, so we scratch their backs (and pick up rubbish for them as well); what, if I may ask, do we get in return?" Well for a start you g
: Actually, I asked that, Delboy! I think, in fairness to BAA, it's a step in the right direction, but I think we are going to have to know a little mor
: There is another thread about this up and running in the aviation photography forum with a link to the LAAS site. What they don't tell you in the BAA
: Kaitak I would hardly call what BAA has provided, a step, would you? Have you seen it in the flesh? I have and it's an absolute joke.
: Easy way for someone to become very rich by something which can't be enforced. Exactly!! How can it be enforced??? So I don't have a 'spotter ID card'
: Ben, Your spot on... unless your in the states. As you know you cant even talk to a US cop without being given a warning, they are right you are wrong