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Inconvenient B6 Schedule To The Dom. Rep.  
User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

I was looking at B6's website about their new service to STI and SDQ in the Dominican Republic, and I noticed that their flight times are really, really useless for vacationers, especially for SDQ.

JFK-SDQ:
9:05 PM-12:50 AM

SDQ-JFK
1:50 AM-5:35 AM

JFK-STI
6:50 AM-10:25 AM
9:45 PM-1:20 AM

STI-JFK
2:20 AM-5:55 AM
11:25 AM-3:00 PM

Who would want to arrive in SDQ at 12:50 AM to start their vacation? I know that if I am going on vacation for one week, I would want to get there in the early afternoon so I can check in at the hotel, relax, and eat dinner with some time left over. CO and AA's flights from EWR and JFK, respectively, both arrive in the early afternoon - why doesn't B6 do the same? Also, it is mightily inconvenient to have a departure time of 1:50 AM - when hotel checkout times are usually 11:00 AM or noon, that's over 12 hours without a room until you can board the plane!

STI has a slightly better schedule, but 10:25 AM is quite early to arrive, especially when you can't check in at most hotels until 3 or 4 PM.

However, I'm sure that the routes will still be successful, and I wish luck to them.

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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2705 times:
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The Santo Domingo flight is obviously a night "filler" to improve aircrft utilisation, however unpopular night flights are with leisure travellers, I'm sure they're more unpopular with business people - which is why a holiday destination that has been chosen for these flights.

On the other hand I don't see any problem with the schedule to STI...

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

Perhaps an issue with slots at JFK? Perhaps research showed them most travelers would be the "visiting friends and family" crowd, which doesn't care about those times?


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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Simple, B6 is also aiming at the family/friends visiting people who want to go to SDQ and looking for cheap flights, AND want to keep their A-320s busy day and night. They make more money flying their A-320s to Florida and Buffalo at day time and asking $100 for the night flight then having a A-320 being unavailable for east coast flights during daylight while it's going to SDQ even while they might then make $130 a passenger, as they can squeeze two roundtrips to Florida out of it in the same time.


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User currently offlineAirlineFanatic From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

These flights are 1) night fillers hardly cost anything to operate at the times they do because the plane would otherwise be sitting on the ground and 2) the markets can be filled with O&D friends, family and citizens living abroad that don't need hotels.

As with other B6 markets I am sure that you will see this as an introductory schedule (SJU - moved to 5 flights a day).

We are having VERY positive bookings on the existing schedules.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

Neither SDQ nor STI are vacation markets. They are VFR markets, and the times jetBlue have are fine for a VFR market.

The vacation markets in the Dominican Republic are PUJ, LRM, and POP.



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User currently offlineBA747400 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

Hi everyone,
Granted, I know little about B6 service, I do know of a similar situation:
Sometime last year, B6 decided that flying overnight would be the best way to keep the planes off the ground and making money......At this time, they added service to DEN with the return trip overnight. Its good thinking, but like you said, rather inconvenient. I am going to DEN in august, so when I was looking at fares I checked out B6; where I was reminded of their only return flight. Its kind of a shame to be honest because if they DID offer a day return flight, I would have booked it.

This all being said, if the DEN and Dom. Rep. Markets are strong, I bet they will add more flights soon enough.

Are there any other cities that only offer overnight flights through B6?

Regards,
Mike


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

The NYC-Dominican republic market has long been controlled by AA, and in order to get the lower fares offered by JetBlue, the pax accept the akward flight times. As pointed out above, the JetBlue flights are of interest to pax travelling between NYC and the Dominican Republic to visit family, etc (its a huge market, there is a vey large Dominican population in the NYC area) and is not about vacation travel. As, as stated, JetBlue wanted to get into this market quickly, and the only time to schedule the flights was in the late night hours when the aircraft with otherwise be sitting on the ground. As JetBlue takes delivery of more aircraft and as these routes grow, the schedule will probably be filled out with additional day time flights being added - buy being that these red-eyes have gotten off to a good start, it is likely that those flights will be maintained as well.

JetBlue seems to have success with unusually timed flights - during the busy winter/holiday periods, JetBlue sometimes add 100am and 400am flights between JFK and FLL, (again, the only time that aircraft are availabe for extra flights), and, believe it or not, these flights usually go out with impressive 85+% load factors. There is also a sub-group of the travelling public that actually like very late flights, no pressure to get to the airport in the middle of the day, its usually calm at the airports during these off-peak hours, etc.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2993 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

their flight times are really, really useless for vacationers, especially for SDQ

Maybe because SDQ is really, really useless for vacationers?  Big grin

But seriously, MAH4546 hit the nail on the head. These flights are not targeted at vacationers. There are other parts of the DR where people go to lounge on the beach...these are just cities. Sort of like Kingston vs. Montego Bay in Jamaica...same island, very different markets.



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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

I've never been to the Dominican Republic, so I didn't realize that you don't fly to SDQ if you are going on vacation. I apologize for jumping to conclusions.

Is STI a vacation destination? I know that POP and PUJ are.


User currently offlineCOAB767 From Guam, joined Nov 2003, 1377 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Well Jetblue does love those middle of the night flghts.


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User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

I went down to SDQ for a vacation once...however most of the people on my AA flight were families going back to DR for Christmas. Many of those people are loyal AA flyers, due to their vast route network in the Caribbean. I think it will be hard for JBLU to get started there with 1:00AM flights. But then again, this is JetBlue...anything can happen.

AA787



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Is STI a vacation destination?

Not the least bit at all. Santiago is the least touristy of the major Dominican cities. It is mostly all VFR. Santiago is very profitable for airlines, who only recently started to tap the potential, because the residents of Santiago are fairly well off, especially for Dominican standards. It is like the Monterrey, Mexico of the Dominican Republic.




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User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Since the DR is so popular with tourists, wonder why there are so few flights to POP, PUJ, etc...


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User currently offlineRthrbeflying86 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 243 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

Its kind of a shame to be honest because if they DID offer a day return flight, I would have booked it.

However many travellers like redeyes. They are especially popular on eastbound transcons, DEN-JFK being on the short side yet still valid. This is simply becuase, in effect, a redeye flight involves 0 travel time that would interfere with normal day-activities. The many people who either do fine on 4 hours of sleep or just don't mind missing the night sleeping very much enjoy have then entire extra day to do whatever upon their arrival.

I, for instance, will be a college student on the west coast coming home to the east coast, and would definitley choose a redeye over a day flight that takes up 8+ "clock" hours. I'm tired when I get home, but it makes a weekend-trip much more doable.

Dan



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

I think the flight times are horrible from a passenger perspective. Clearly they are not going after leisure travellers.

If JetBlue is guessing right, the majority of its DR traffic will be locals and expatriates living in NYC who are sick of being ripped off by AA and CO. Most probably will trade the cheaper flights for the timing.



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User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2371 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

Since the DR is so popular with tourists, wonder why there are so few flights to POP, PUJ, etc...

That's because most of the service into those cities is via Charter airlines. Check out Apple Vacations, Travel Impressions and the amount of charter flights they operate between the U.S. and the D.R.



User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

Since the DR is so popular with tourists, wonder why there are so few flights to POP, PUJ, etc...


Not a lot of services to PUJ? Huh? American Airlines, American Eagle, US Airways, Northwest, USA 3000, LanPeru, and soon Continental all offer scheduled service to PUJ. Plus, there are charters by the boatload. PUJ is a huge charter destination.

Scheduled service to POP is limited, only CO from EWR and AA from MIA/SJU/JFK, though, again, a lot of charters.

There is also LRM/Casa de Campo. Very limited service, only AA daily from MIA and SJU, and Saturday AA from JFK and US from CLT. Though Casa de Campo is a premium tourist destination, so thin traffic is made up for in very good yields.



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User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6207 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Even with the inconvenient hours B6 wont have a problem filling these flights, Dominicans going back home to visit relatives love low fare flights. People wont really care about the time as long as the price is right. They have a red eye out of San Juan (in addition to their day/evening flights) and it has proved to be sucessful so I have no doubt flights to STI and SDQ will work out well. The schedule for BQN is also a red eye flight, by the way how are the advance bookings for this flight (which starts on May 28th)
Chepos



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User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

JetBlue is not known for connections. They are pretty much O&D. Their idea is to keep their planes in the air as much as possible. One flight a day for one plane just doesn't make sense to them. There's an old saying that planes make no money sitting on the ground. JetBlue is listening. That is why most flights are red eyes, which makes me wonder why they didn't call it JetRed instead? Just joking of course. Blue sounds much better.

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User currently offlineRampero From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2004, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

Chepos

The first week all flights are full in and out from Aguadilla (BQN) and North American is change the equipment with 767-300 begining on June 14.

Rampero



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User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6207 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

NA is going to a 767-300, go figure and all those travel agents were protesting that if B6 started up ops into BQN NA would discontinue its flight btw JFK and BQN.
cHEPOS



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User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

Don't understimate SDQ.

SDQ is minutes away from resorts, and the only closest airport to SDQ is LRM.

In SDQ there are a great number of charters arriving during the winter and summer. So dont think that also a great number of tourist operators use SDQ.

Also, when PUJ is packed, they prefer to use SDQ, is just 2 hours away from Punta Cana.




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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

NA is going to a 767-300, go figure and all those travel agents were protesting that if B6 started up ops into BQN NA would discontinue its flight btw JFK and BQN.


And don't forget that Pan Am starts FLL-BQN on 27 May. I've heard it has been doing pretty well in advanced bookings.

I think it is only a matter of time before AA is back at BQN if the growth continues. Probably a daily 757 from JFK and 738 from MIA. Maybe even through in an AT7 to SJU.



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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

I disagree with the times being bad.

One can leave a day earlier from JFK, after work, since the flight goes at 9pm.

Then, your last day, you can stay as late as possible, and still get to work in the morning.

Getting in at 2:00am, falling asleep, then getting up the morning and heading out is a good thing, rather than wasting most of that day flying.

Steve


25 ETStar : Well I'd look at it this way... If I start my vacation on day X, why spend a whole day travelling (rush hour in the city, line up at the airport, fly
26 Ual4me : Good Luck to JetBlue-but I wouldn't start my holidays with flights arriving and departing so late...
27 Flyboy36y : MY best freind is Dominican and goes back to DR all the time to visit familly. She is feircly loyal to AA in that market because she values the wide s
28 PlaneviewNYC : I love AA, but I'm sure NYC's Dominican community has been itching for an alternative ever since the flight 587 disaster.
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