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Italy Jails Officials After Linate Crash  
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

Italy has jailed the air traffic controller for eight years, and imposed similarly-harsh prison sentences on three other officials after the Milan Linate SAS collision.

Fair punishment or rough justice?

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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6017 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3180 times:

I think it's a fair punishment.

But, will this have an impact on procedures at Linate? Or have they already been tightened up?

I remember reading something about some controllers, who were on duty, who went outside to play soccer - was that just a bit of media exaggeration, or did it really happen?


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 855 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3162 times:

Fair punishment IMO! Some flogging would be proper too...
Hope it NEVER EVER happends again on any airport  Angry

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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4756 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

Wow.... that is HARSH! I would think a suspension... but a jail sentence?

But then again, why were they clearing aircraft movements in the first place in the fog? The Tower is after all, a VFR environment! Is Linate equipped with a ground radar?



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17079 posts, RR: 66
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

Linate has ground radar but.... at the time of the accident it had been broken down for 18 months.

Here's another thread on this: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1498140/4/

It's harsh but it was pretty clear that ATC erroneously cleared the Cessna. And three times, no less!



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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

even after the cessna pilot asked for confirmation saying was there not a plane there.


Good on em


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4756 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

Good grief, so they were still clearing ground movements in the fog without the assistance of a ground radar. Isn't this against aviation practise in the first place? You simply cannot tell an aircraft that he is "cleared" for take off when you cannot even see what is outside the tower.... This is really committing air-traffic suicide.

I am sure that the controllers at work on that day already have blood on their hands which they can never wash off themselves.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17079 posts, RR: 66
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

Having landed at Linate more times than I care to remember, I can tell you it's a real foghole. Sadly, the absence of ground radar support and this very accident did not really surprise me. It was just a matter of time.




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User currently offlineJHSfan From Denmark, joined Apr 2004, 469 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

Fair justice, that's for sure.

A lot of things were wrong at the airport. E.g. obsolete signs next to the runway. The Cessna pilot (not knowing some of the signs were too old) referred to one of them, when talking the ATC. But the ATC didn't react to this fact!

The morning after the accident, I flew from CPH to BLQ with SAS. The mood of everybody onboard was affected by the tragedy.
BTW - two of the victims, a young couple, came from the town just next to my home town (Holte in Denmark).



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6508 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2959 times:

I have forgotten, what was the death toll in this tragedy?  Sad


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User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

727Lover

114 people lost their life in that tragic accident. Everybody onboard died and some people in the cargo building lost their lives too..  Sad


User currently offlineEugdog From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

The Milan area is one of the foggiest in Europe - so it is unbelievable that there was no ground radar - maybe the people who allowed the radar to be out of service for so long should go to jail.

8 years for the Air Traffic Controller seems very harsh


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17079 posts, RR: 66
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1498140/4/

8 years is, IMHO, not harsh. ATC was incompetent and people died as a result. If they felt themselves to be under pressure from management to operate in an unsafe manner, they should have walked out.



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User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

Lost a friend in that crash  Crying

Sending some one in jail doesn't bring her back but I'm so glad that there is some justice in this world!



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User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Sorry to hear that D-ABZE.

What I dont understand is the pilot of SQ006 just gets fired. You kill 100+ people and just get fired because of a mistake. This guy in Itlay also made a mistake that caused people to die and he goes to jail.....


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17079 posts, RR: 66
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

The law may be different, and the SQ pilot made a mistake, while ATC at Linate knew that they were operating unsafely for months.


"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

What happened with the SQ guy? I have never heard of that before.

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17079 posts, RR: 66
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

It's the 744 at Taipei that took off in a monsoon. The storm was not the problem. The pilot turned into a runway under repair instead of the active (bad viz) and started his takeoff roll. The plane hit construction stuff on the runway and crashed in flames. A bunch of people died.

EDIT: http://www.airsafe.com/events/airlines/sing.htm
http://www.airlinesafety.com/editorials/Singapore006.htm


[Edited 2004-04-19 12:48:39]

[Edited 2004-04-19 12:52:19]


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User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

Damn... That even happened recently and I never heard of it.
Thanx once again Starlion you old fart  Big grin


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4756 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

What I dont understand is the pilot of SQ006 just gets fired. You kill 100+ people and just get fired because of a mistake. This guy in Itlay also made a mistake that caused people to die and he goes to jail.....

N754pr, what is wrong with you? You take every opportunity to take a swipe at SQ? While I am not a know supporter of SIA, I am pretty peeved with your childishness... Keep to the topic, please.

I wonder if the radar in Linate has been reinstalled?



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17079 posts, RR: 66
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

The radar was fixed, but it's one of those cases of closing the barn door after the horse has left. In any case most traffic has been moved to Malpensa since then.


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User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

Sorry Ryanair but after the anti HKG / CX our friend posted I'll take every chance I can.

User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4756 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2440 times:

Sorry Ryanair but after the anti HKG / CX our friend posted I'll take every chance I can.

Please... if you are talking about Singapore_Air, there is no need to resort to such measures. You are just sinking to his level.... So no more such reciprocal rebutts please.

I'd better not talk anymore before this thread gets deleted.



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User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

hmmm... I'm not sure the controller is to blame... the Head of Airport Security or some big guy in Rome or Milan who is not making his job should have been forced to resign rather than jailing the guy... unless it's clearly determined that he broke established procedures or showed incompetency given the training he received. It's more like a cheap mediatic trick that a real investigation to find the real reponsibles.

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