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User currently offlineNW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

I know it is not likely, but are there any US carriers that off jumpseat privledges to a commercial/instrument pilot with a type rating? Thanks for any info.

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User currently offlineHannigan From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

One word. No.

FAA and flight crew only.

Sorry!



We got planes! We got gates! What the hell!
User currently offlineFokkerf28 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2767 times:
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FAA, FLIGHT CREW AND COMPANY DISPATCHERS.

User currently offlineStartvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

It is called the forum search function.. read up on it..

I thought we had already beaten this topic to a bloody pulp, I guess that means it was time to discuss it again.


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2637 times:

Airline Dispatchers are currently not allowed to jumpseat at least not on the carrier I used to work for. FAA and Employed Pilots of the company are the only ones currently allowed to jumpseat. If you work for another carrier you can only cabin jumpseat, which basically means if there is an open seat in the main cabin then they can catch a ride.



Sean from MCO



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User currently offlineFlyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2623 times:

Attention, Attention, Attention Please: Would all non airline employees please forget about you ever getting a jumpseat. Many Thanks.


Safe Flying  Smile



Florida Express, Braniff II and ......
User currently offlineFokkerf28 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2599 times:
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COMPANY DISPATCHERS ARE ALLOWED TO JUMP SEAT. HERE AT HP THIS IS PERMISABLE.

User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2585 times:

Assuming you are a college student with commercial license in an aviation program, look into an internship with flight operations departments... many allow jumpseat opportunities.

User currently offlineFutterman From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1301 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2537 times:

Is this for American carriers only? Or ALL flights operating within the United States?


What the FUTT?
User currently offlineFlyPIJets From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 913 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2479 times:

It FAA rule. So any flight operating under FAA jurisdiction that falls under the rule.


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User currently offline7574EVER From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 478 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2455 times:

AAJAXFlyer is right. We have a couple guys from my school in Dallas interning with American. They can jumpseat whenever to wherever they please. We also have an internship program with Chicago Express who also allow interns to jumpseat. Although I'm not sure how comfortable the jumpseat of a Saab 340 is. They can also fly ATA for free (cabin only) and I believe Southwest gives Express interns a VERY substantial discount.

As for stepping into the cockpit before a flight and saying "Umm...Captain? I'm an instrument rated commercial pilot. Can I ride jumpseat? Well, you'll be laughed about in the pilot's lounge later in the day.



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User currently offlineMATURRO727 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2415 times:

Hey


In AV is possible, not for everyone of course, but sometimes when I fly with them, the Capitan might be my or my dad's friend, this happened to me a couple of times


Cheers


MATURRO727


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

flight internships are freaking terrible to get these days. sooo many flight students out there. so little need for pilots.


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User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

Although I'm not sure how comfortable the jumpseat of a Saab 340 is.

It's a bit like sitting on a phone book with a backrest the size of a timetable.  Smile


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17056 posts, RR: 67
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

You should try to jumseat outside the US. Smaller domestic airlines like Malmö Aviation are much more lenient.


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User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6153 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

I am not a Dispatcher or Pilot and I can jumpseat. We are considered part of the Flight Operations Department so we get included. The only flights we can no longer jumpseat is International, but that is for everyone except pilots getting check outs.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

>i>Would all non airline employees please forget about you ever getting a jumpseat. Many Thanks.>/i>

Hello ?
Do I look like an airline employee ? (not !)

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A lot more to plug if I wanted to; but it isn't the purpose.
The jumpseat is possible with aviation-related credentials. Period.

UTA



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

The jumpseat is possible with aviation-related credentials. Period.

No, Wrong.....!! period...!!

Jumpseat is NOT possible in the United States unless you meet the requirements of the FAR's...PERIOD..!!

Why will this one not go away.....???



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

A lot more to plug if I wanted to; but it isn't the purpose.

You plug enough at every opportunity.

The point of the poster seems to be jumpseats in the United States, not abroad.


User currently offlineNeilalp From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Sounds like the bottom line is work for an airline and ask. Worst case is they say no. EVERYONE thinks they know the answer, but even with laws and rulings by the FAA it comes to the discression of the person you ask.(now will they break the law?) So go and try!

User currently offlineFlyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

Thank GOD you are not an airline employee. This post is jumpseats in the U.S.A. and I would bet money you will not get one with in the boarders.

So PLUG PLUG away !

Safe Flying  Smile



Florida Express, Braniff II and ......
User currently offlineNeilalp From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

I'm not saying if I was an airline employee I'd break the law, but it sounds like Chicago Express does what they want and American lets college kids jumpseat out of Dallas. So it seems like the airlines do as they please with what they allow....so ask. There doesn't seem to be a clear cut answer.

User currently offlineIfly2eat From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Neilalp:

Chicago Express does not do what they want. On main line ATA (it is no different at Chicago Express), Flight Operations' interns are allowed on the jumpseat IF they have a signed letter from the Principle Operations Inspector of the Airline (FAA) and the Vice President of Flight Operations. Not every employee from Flight Operations can ride on the jumpseat. ONLY PEOPLE WITH A SIMILAR LETTER are allowed in the cockpit. Period Period Period. If you do not believe what I am saying, feel free to go and try and get a jumpseat.



Fly the friendly skys and stay out of mine.
User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

On main line ATA (it is no different at Chicago Express), Flight Operations' interns are allowed on the jumpseat IF they have a signed letter from the Principle Operations Inspector of the Airline (FAA) and the Vice President of Flight Operations. Not every employee from Flight Operations can ride on the jumpseat. ONLY PEOPLE WITH A SIMILAR LETTER are allowed in the cockpit.

Same story with AA. And it isn't just free reign.. of course it comes down to the Captain's discretion, plus there must be an empty seat blocked in the cabin for you, so still have to clear the standby list in the appropriate priority and have to have a gate agent willing to block a cabin seat. At American, the interns have to write reports on human factors for each flight... technically are carrying out a survey, and the FAA operations inspectors do review the intern jumpseat files.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Sounds like the bottom line is work for an airline and ask. Worst case is they say no. EVERYONE thinks they know the answer, but even with laws and rulings by the FAA it comes to the discression of the person you ask

Here is the answer once again in black and white... Unless you meet the requirements of FAR 121.547...you are NOT PERMMITED in the cockpit while inflight.

We also need to understand that the word 'jumpseat' is used pretty broadly in the airline business, at least from what I have seen. It doesn't always mean 'in the cockpit'. It can also mean flying 'non-rev' and seated with the passengers. I came across this once when flying with my own airline when after a flight I was asked to stay after the flight as the Capt wanted to talk with me. The Capt began to read me the riot act saying 'I was required to check in with him when ever we 'jumpseated'. At that point I told him I was NOT jumpseating, I was seated in back with the passenger and then showed him my boarding pass and ticket..!! He then slinked away with his tail between his legs..!!



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
25 NW747-400 : Some of you guys really need to chill out...it was just a simple question. I'm sure you all have better things to do than get pissed off at people tha
26 Post contains images DeltaGuy : Two ways I know of.... Get in with a pilot in a major US airline....get him to bid a ferry/reposition/MX flight, these don't fall under part 135....th
27 Post contains images Socalatc : Oh how nice it is to work for the FAA...
28 Neilalp : All I say is DeltaGuy proves my point!
29 EMBQA : DeltaGuy- FYI...Airlines in the US do not operate under FAR Part 135 (On Demand Charter), they operate under FAR Part 121 ( Air Carrier). Now you are
30 Post contains images DeltaGuy : EMBQA, You caught me...I was a lil hungover from last night Thanks I have heard that stipulation too, I think that more applies to Mx test flights. Fe
31 Philsquares : I can tell you that in the US, MX ferry flights that require a ferry permit issued by the FAA normally restrict the carriage of anyone other than the
32 AAJAXFlyer : Get in with a pilot in a major US airline....get him to bid a ferry/reposition/MX flight, these don't fall under part 135....then you can get all the
33 Jhooper : Since DeltaGuy asked about it, I can tell you that up to 19 nonrevs can be carried on these flights; at least with Delta. I have been on three of thes
34 Airtran737 : You've gota better chance of finding Jimmy Hoffa than you do of not being an airline employee and trying to score a seat in the front office.
35 EMBQA : Why is everyone so emotional about this issue? Why you ask....?? Because in the 8 or so months I've been on A.net this question has been asked REPEATE
36 Post contains images Neilalp : Yeah lets move on...how about those Northwest DC-9's?
37 Jhooper : You're right that this question is asked often, but I'd say there are many other threads which come up on a much more regular basis. If you really don
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