DeltaBoy777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 411 posts, RR: 1 Posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4652 times:
Delta was recently discussed in the Dallas Morning News regarding their future as a airline and their financial status or lack there of. I have been flying Delta forever and have never seen their status and respect at DFW diminish so greatly! I was wondering where do you see DL ops at DFW or systemwide in 5 yrs? 10 yrs.? There have been talks of a 737 base for Delta at DFW, as well as a complete regional operation, this I find hard to believe considering the facilities Delta currently operates at DFW. What do you think?
DfwneedsQF From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4619 times:
Maybe. But I can't see a 737 operation working very well at DFW. A Regional route with CRJ's might work since it is already in operation to an extent. The Whole restructing of Delta is strange as well as a loss of Jobs for Delta pilots based out of DFW. It would be nice to see Delta make DFW a Larger and take advantage of the new international terminal soon to be opened, but I dont see Delta at DFW much longer with this new idea. Mayeb the regional operation, but not competing well with AA and other airlines based out of DFW.
COEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 273 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4601 times:
Let me start by saying I have never been to DFW...On DL or anyone else for that matter...I just wanted to get my $0.02 in here real quick.
I think the future of commercial aviation is in the RJ...As much as we hate it and don't want it to happen, that's the way it goes...I think it is this way because people would rather fly from point A to point B, none of this HUB/spoke thing anymore. This has changed greatly since deregulation when superhubs dominated the landscape (yes I know I was small and/or not yet born when deregulation happened but I have read enough books to understand it)...Anyway that's just my $0.02.
The future is in RJ point to point services so I think we will see more HUBs turned into RJ centers so to speak...Maybe not true for the International gateways (ie. JFK, EWR, LAX, SFO, IAH, ATL...Forgive me if I forgot some but you get the idea) but definitely the second and third rate HUBs and larger outstations...Anyway...It seems to me that DLs presence in DFW is not that of a superhub (as theirs is in ATL) it will eventually be reduced to an RJ outstation/HUB.
like I said just my $0.02 but I would love to hear other opinions on this topic!
Okie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4561 times:
A recipical question would be what about AA presents at Atlanta?
I am in agreement on the down sizing of DL at DFW, you can barely tell that they are there anymore.
I have always been under the assumption that there is sort of an unwritten agreement between DL and AA as to their respective hubs ATL and DFW. You don't step on our toes here we won't step on your toes their sort of thing.
DeltaBoy777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 411 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4560 times:
Quite frankly, COEWR, people I have seen hate flying on regional jets, and would much rather fly large jets. Even at the expense of a few extra dollars. Cramped seats, small or no legroom, limited overhead and underseat storage all carry revenue away from regional airlines. People used to think this was the way to go, but realize now it's not. Thanks for your opinion!
MSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4553 times:
Delta could not make it work in DFW even in happier times in the industry. Before 1996 or so,they still had a huge operation in DFW with numerous daily 757/767/L10 flights, with at least five banks of flights to the major cities, plus nonstops to FRA and HNL. Around '96, they cut back operations greatly, to three core East and West banks. And more recently, DFW has been turned into RJ central. If Delta is not making any strides at DFW in its current form, then I really don't think it has much of a future in the DL route system as far as a big time hub is concerned. Sure, they'll probably always offer nonstops from Big D to key leisure and business markets (if for no other reason then to appease the numerous DL frequent flyers in the DFW area), but don't look for much expansion.
DfwneedsQF From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4543 times:
I agree with DeltaBoy777. The RJ market could not take over becuase it could not be able to support the coustomers with long range or comfort. When I flew on the CRJ-200 I was not even allowed to carry on my carry on. I know confusing, but true. It makes me wonder how long the smaller RJ will last.
Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5583 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4474 times:
If AA is planning significant growth at DFW over the next 5 years, WN grows at both Houston airports, and CO has even limited growth at IAH, I don't see how DL can keep its DFW hub open.
I think it will come down to flights to SLC, CVG, ATL, and maybe JFK, LGA, and BOS.
As for the issue fo RJs, as you know AA has been switching a lot of routes to a mainline/RJ mix or all RJ. A friend of mine who flies for AA says that customers are making their displeasure known clearly. But until AA can find a Fokker replacement (a plane that holds 90 to 110 passengers) and figure out who will fly it (mainline or Eagle), the RJs will continue to fly mainline routes.
ATLhomeCMH From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 770 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4426 times:
DL will probably never have anything more than a small regional RJ operation out of DFW, just like AA won't have much more than flights to ORD, MIA, DFW, and STL (at the VERY most) out of ATL...DFW and ATL are AA's and DL's palaces respectively, and I just dont think the front office folks on either team would let anything more than those very spartan scenarios occur.
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BoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4331 times:
This is why DL is focused on CVG, ATL and SLC. North East, Southeast flows, SLC to the West. WHen you look at a map of airports with air service, you can see why. See page 4 of the link below, it tells you a lot:
Aviaar From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3996 times:
Wow man...you're really coming back strong. Here's my post:
For your sake, I hope Delta thrives/flourishes/is very successful at DFW.
To the RJ subject..they present an indirect variation. If the demand stays the same and the amount of seats goes down, the price for those same seats will go up. RJs can charge a lot more for less service because there is the same demand for a lot less seats. Plus, the airlines do not have to pay those pilots as much, they [the planes] do not require multiple flight attendants, and they are cheaper to purchase and maintain. They result in higher fill rates, which means higher profits.
Who knows,though, with planes like the A380 and 7E7 coming out. I don't think an airline would ever convert entirely to RJs, they might just utilize them for domestic use (they're kind of already doing this)
ALWAYS a pleasure talking about anything with you, especially aviation.
Vatveng From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3950 times:
But until AA can find a Fokker replacement (a plane that holds 90 to 110 passengers)
Didn't they dump TWA's 717's after the buyout because "we already have a 100-seat plane, the Fokker F-100".... then immediately turn around and announce the retirement of the F100?
My inner conspiracy theorist [who doesn't get out much] is wondering if the majors, other than generally being in the financial toilet, don't want to order 717s because in their minds if the 717 line closes it might be a hardship to one of the LCCs giving them such fits? Especially since AirTran flies upwards of a hundred 717s?