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Does El Al Fly On Saturday's And Holidays?  
User currently offlineNycfuturepilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 791 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13264 times:

I assume that El AL has a lot of orthodox jewish pilots so I was wondering if they fly on the sabboth and on religious holidays. Also, can one get bread on it during passover?


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User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1312 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13221 times:



El Al does not fly on Saturday.

cheers






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User currently offlineTbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13199 times:

I have flown El Al during Passover and Matzoh was all that was offered.

User currently offlineNycfuturepilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 791 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13163 times:

Thanks, I wasnt sure.


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13075 times:

EL AL does not operate passenger flights from sundown Friday thru sundown on Saturday. Cargo flights however still operate.

EL AL has attempted to get the restriction lifted, however the Israeli Parliament never seems to be able approve as a result of right wing conservative members objecting.

Overall EL AL is at a competitive disadvantage by being only able to operate 6 days per week, while its foreign competition operate to/from Israel on daily basis without any restrictions.




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User currently offline4x-eld From Israel, joined Dec 1999, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13030 times:

While never talked with any pilot about their religion practice I failed to see any orthodox pilot working for ELAL (I didn’t see any one wearing a Kipa for that matters)/
Among cabin crew there are few who keep the shabat (few out of hundreds) these FA
Are not schedule to work on Shabbat on a permanent basis according to their requests (similar to mothers to new born who does only short flights or students who can ask for days off for their studies)

Regarding the Passover….food on ELAL is kosher (no pork, no mixing of milk and meat)
During that holiday there is a regular food service on all flights , bread and pastry is not been served



User currently offline4xRuv From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 388 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12951 times:

Just to add to Laxint,
El Al do fly cargo flights on Saturdays, AND they also operate their charter "Sun D'or". Though it's not officially an EL Al flight, the crew is EL AL crew, and some of the planes carry the EL AL c/s....


User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12900 times:

That is very interesting. During the Jewish Holy Days is their possibly a prayer over the intercom?

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12803 times:

CO's flights from EWR-TLV-EWR on Saturdays are the only flights to arrive and leave from TLV airport in the whole 24 hour Sat-Sun period.

User currently offlineJFKviaPHX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12784 times:

Let's set the record straight with the EL Al question about Saturdays. Yes they do operate on Saturdays, however it's a late night flight to give everyone time to plug in the power cords and start the cars. They usually leave JFK at around 11pm on Saturday nights. The planes or planes will land during the morning at JFK on Friday and sit on a hardstand with security untill Saturday night.

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12730 times:

Remind me never to fly ElAl.......if religion is to rule the company I wont fly with them!!! Tragic
Nuf said  Angry

Michael//SE



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User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12711 times:

Solnabo,

You forget Israel is a predominently Jewish country (I'm talking about Israel proper, not the West Bank, etc.). I dont know how it could be considered "tragic" that they follow what they believe in.  Insane

Yeah it might put El Al at a competitive disadvantage, but they can do what they want. I have no problem with it.

GreatChecko



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User currently offlineAlonk From Israel, joined May 2001, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12711 times:

Cory6188

CO isnt the only airline that flies out of telaviv during SAT/SUN...BA LX AZ KLM CY LOT and many other european airlines fly into and out of TLV as well as Air Canada and lots of Israeli and Turkish and spanish charters..
 Smile


User currently offlineNycfuturepilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 791 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12680 times:

Solnabo, though I have never flown them I think that if you were travelling to Israel then you'd probably be going there because of the religious experience and if you were to take EL AL there then you would probably get a better feel for the israeli culture.


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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3222 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12618 times:

Solnabo,

They don't deliver mail here in the US on Sundays because it is "the Lord's day." I guess that means I should not live here anymore!



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12572 times:

What I´m saying is there is something wrong when you´re carrier has to "be grounded" cuz of sabboth or for any other reason (religous), than western-carriers should stop flying cuz of Eastern/X-mas etc. you name it....
Okey, they can fly with another carrier if the must go on a saturday, but to my ear it sounds strange! Maybe its b´cuz I live in €urope, and swedes are not that religious. I have nothing against Israel, but I wont go there in this troubled time.....
Salom

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User currently offline4xRuv From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 388 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12546 times:

LOL

No there's no praying over the Intercom on El Al flights,
HOWEVER, there is on the audio system a religious channel, and, especially on flights to/from NYC, you can see sometimes an unofficial prayer conducted by religious people.
It's a bit ridiculous, because unlike other European countries where EVERYTHING is closed during Sundays, in Israel you can always find whatever you want and whenever you want it. So religion people don't control everything around here....


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12527 times:

X-use moi 4xruv, but EVERYTHING is open on sundays here too  Laugh out loud
Pleased to say.........



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User currently offline4xRuv From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 388 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12497 times:

Well then,
Sweden is an exception...
I would insert it to my destinations queue...  Big grin


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12493 times:

Wow Solnabo I cannot even believe what you are saying. That is absolutely terrible. You are saying a religion is wrong because it is different then yours?

Anyways, my question is this - if part of not flying on friday - saturday is because it is a day of rest and there is supposed to be no work, why is it that the Israeli government lets other airlines fly to TLV then and thus make the other airport employees work?


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12448 times:

I rest my case, cuz you dont understand what I´m saying.........watta pitty!

Michael//SE



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User currently offlineCanberra From Denmark, joined Apr 2004, 310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12403 times:

CO's flights from EWR-TLV-EWR on Saturdays are the only flights to arrive and leave from TLV airport in the whole 24 hour Sat-Sun period.

Cory6188, you couldn't be more wrong. First of all, even though I am not Jewish, I believe Sabbath is from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. That mean lots of El Al departures Saturday evening (today 8 LY flights out of Tel Aviv before midnight). Sunday is a very normal day. Secondly many of others carriers fly their normal schedule on Sabbath. During summer (at least last year) Saturdays seem to be quite popular for charters from the CIS countries.

Back to the topic. As already mentioned El Al doesn't fly in Sabbath, at least not as El Al. But!!! I have seen planes from El Al's normal fleet fly on both Israir and Sun d'or routes in Sabbath.

All the best, Michael



[Edited 2004-04-17 18:10:22]


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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3222 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12322 times:

Point of information:

Sabbath is not sundown to sundown. It is sundown Friday to fully dark Saturday (defined as three stars in the sky). It's more like 27 hours than 24!



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User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12263 times:

Sonalbo I don't care much for religious fanatics of any kind. But pls remember that in some countries Christians have also been very intolerant. Back in the 40 and 50 in Spain you could be reported to police by the local priest if you were working the fields on Sunday.

With regards to the thread IB fly to TLV on Saturday.



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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12205 times:

And people call Muslims fanatics.

4xRUV "because unlike other European countries where EVERYTHING is closed during Sundays, in Israel you can always find whatever you want and whenever you want...."

Israel is not a European country as much as you may wish it were.



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25 Csavel : How does it work with delays and also differing sunup-sundown times? For example, I'm assuming that they use local times to decide on the sabbath. So
26 MaverickM11 : "Wow Solnabo I cannot even believe what you are saying. That is absolutely terrible. You are saying a religion is wrong because it is different then y
27 Andahuailas : It may be a retarded way to run a business, but for those of us who are believers, respecting religious law is more important than bussiness. Solnabo'
28 4xRuv : Csavel theoretically, it's correct, according to the law, you are not allowed to work on Saturday, however, airport employees are declared as "vital e
29 Stefandotde : Great Checko: "Yeah it might put El Al at a competitive disadvantage, but they can do what they want. I have no problem with it." Checko, they are for
30 Lfutia : I also agree. Solnabo's comments were not appropriate and uncalled for. EL AL has every right to decide what it can do and cant. They are well known f
31 Ltbewr : From my understanding, Isreal pretty much closes down on the weekly sabbath (Sundown Friday to fully dark on Saturday). This includes not only ElAl, t
32 4xRuv : Ltbewr That's almost correct, however, restaurants, theaters, cinemas, pubs, clubs, disco's the beach etc... are open (and very crowded), and very big
33 SW733 : Nope, most stuff is closed on Sundays here
34 Adriaticflight : "unlike other European countries where EVERYTHING is closed during Sundays, in Israel you can always find whatever you want and whenever you want it."
35 Post contains links TodaReisinger : why is it that the Israeli government lets other airlines fly to TLV then and thus make the other airport employees work? It wouldn't be possible to s
36 4xRuv : grrr... I never said Israel is a part of Europe......I only replied Solnabo who IS European (lucky him, and you of course)
37 Kl911 : '''And people call Muslims fanatics.''' ??????????????? Ehhhh Yeah...... Isn't that true? It is in my city.....
38 MaverickM11 : "It may be a retarded way to run a business, but for those of us who are believers, respecting religious law is more important than business. " Of cou
39 4xRuv : If I were you I wouldn't worry for El Al business, El Al get a special budget from the government as a compensation for not flying on Sabbath, even th
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