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Will AA Ever Change Its Livery  
User currently offlineDfwneedsQF From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 62 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4866 times:

Well I enjoy the polished quality of the plane but could they expand on it and maybe change it up a bit. I would love to see the ideas for a new livery or maybe more specialty liveries like America West does.

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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4844 times:

Everything that has a beginning. . .has an end.

Deep. . .I know.

Actually, I think A^A has been entertaining ideas now for a few years.



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User currently onlineFlyPIJets From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 863 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4838 times:

This gets talked about a lot, and, I see no reason not to talk about it some more.

I hope AA leaves it as is. It goes all the way back to the 1930's. A silver airplane with a stripe of some type. After all this time, I just can't see why change it now.

What would be the point?



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User currently offlineDfwneedsQF From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4818 times:

Well maybe AA could spice things up and add some more specialty liveries. I mean delta looks interesting because of all the different liveries ,but AA only has te normal and the retro which maybe they could incorporate into more planes. As long as its not the 777 in retro its fine with me.

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

Maybe they win a grand prize if they outlast other airlines in the catagory of: "Not changing an airline livery for super-long?!"

I like it too. . .but it's bound to change. . .and this will continue to be a topic 'till A^A changes the c/s. . .much like our dear, dear NWA DC-9s. . .gosh I love those little suckers. . .*sniff*



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User currently offlineDeltaBoy777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 411 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4792 times:

It's cheap, efficient, and everyone seems to tolerate it. I would like to see some special liveries however though!!

~DeltaBoy777~



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User currently onlineFlyPIJets From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 863 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4767 times:

DIA:

Funny, funnny, funny....

I like those DC-9's too. (I had to say it)

[Edited 2004-04-17 05:49:17]


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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5066 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

AA is not big on dramatic changes. The pilot uniforms got a makeover in the mid 1990s. They went from a dark postman blue to navy blue. Unless you flew AA regularly, you probably wouldn't notice.

That said, AA will probably freshen the livery within the next few years. AA's current livery came out in 1969. In that time period, UA has made 3 major revisions. DL has made 3 or 4. NW has made 3. CO has made 2. TW made 2. Even F9, WN, NK, and HP have had one livery change each.

My guess is that AA will go back to 1950s-style font for the lettering, and the logo will have a less-stylized eagle.


User currently offlineConcord977 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1261 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4678 times:

DFWneedsQF,

Most people on a.net have already seen these, but here are some links for you to consider!



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(and yes, many people do not like wavy lines)



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12037 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4614 times:
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Unfortunately, as planes use more and more composites in construction, a polished metal finish will be somewhat difficult to keep.  Sad What would they do if they buy the 7E7?

Some of AA's fleet already look 'odd' - the A300s we all know about, but their 737s with the grey tails are in the same league.



Hey AA, the 1960s called. They want their planes back!
User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

I personally like AA's livery. It sure shines in the sun! It would take me a long time to get used to another livery. I was bearly getting adjusted to Delta's 1997 scheme when they started with the Wavy Gravy scheme.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

You "let's change the livery lovers" do realize that when that happens, they don't just paint the planes but have to replace stationary, business cards, signage at airports, replace billboards and a myriad of other expensive things when the livery is changed...don't you? Not a real wise idea for a company on the edge of bankruptcy to be doing.

User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

I think that the real question is: Will people ever stop asking this question?


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4454 times:

IMHO - they could update it so it is not a radical change per say. That would allow them to keep the signage, stationary and such and be changed slowly and cost effective overall.....


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineSkyguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4390 times:

There is an economic reason why AA have not updated their livery. Apart from the fact that when the present livery was introduced they wanted it to look 'timeless', there is reason for that polished metallic look.

Painting an aircraft adds several hundread lbs of weight to an aircrafts frame, this all adds up if you think about the number of flights and take-off/landing cycles a typical aircraft goes through in a year. This is extra weight that has to be carried for which fuel has to be expended. Now, given that the extra cost of fuel expended in carrying this extra hundred pounds of weight is small, multiply that amount per aircraft times take-off/landing cycles in year times number of aircraft in AA's fleet - it all begins to add up. AA have been particularly picky about weight management of its empty aircraft, they want to make it as low as possible so that fuel costs are made as efficient as possible. Robert Crandall, the authoratarian CEO of AA and predecessor to Don Carty (before he resigned last year) was a fanatic where this was concerned and once even banned steel coffee spoons used for on board, saying that it was extra weight being carted around and an item with minimum utility. His legacy still remains at AA and current management are still obsessed at cutting not only costs but weight management as well of an aircraft to minimize repetetive fuel costs.
This may sound kind of far fetched but I read about this about 10 years ago in AA's own press literature, so its straight from the horses' mouth.

SO, having said that, despite the costs of changing livery which is significant but not prohibitive, if they do change at all, it will be for another polished metal look. In which case its going to be something that changes the font or colors etc. etc. but nothing more dramatic than that. I doubt that we will see fully painted AA aircraft, though some of their aircraft are painted grey because of the material the aircraft is made off does not lend to the bare metal look.



"Those who talk, do not know, and those who know, do not talk."
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

Skyguy

Weight management? Have you seen some of the FA's doing the long haul flights? Did they miss that memo.




You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

Actually, while no paint does result in weight savings (Eastern went to bare metal for just this reason), Southwest found with their "Silver One" aircraft that the bare metal required them to keep it out of service longer than the other aircraft in the fleet because they had to polish it to keep it looking good. So they painted it what they call "silver", but I call "battleship gray".

User currently offlineSkyguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4324 times:

Luv2fly: I know what you mean and I find it crazy but, it is what it is, and they appear to stick to it.


"Those who talk, do not know, and those who know, do not talk."
User currently offlineStefandotde From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4171 times:

Geting new livery/cd costs lot of money. Money they don't have.

Maybe wasted money, depends how long AA will still be in the air.


User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4138 times:

First off Curt,
I've refrained from making any such comments in the past regarding people's interest on the subject of AA and a new livery. Something can only be discussed so much before there is nothing else to say about it and it's all redundant. I have nothing against your AA fantasy liveries, and quite frankly I enjoyed looking at them. However, the question of whether AA needs a new livery is getting old--as per the par with NW DC-9's etc. et alii

I have not in any way condemned any one person for asking this question and everyone is within their means to ask. However, I think that it's been established many times as to why has not changed their current livery and quite frankly from where I sit it doesn't warrant any more discussion. A simple search of the civil aviation forums would provide a myriad of threads discussing this same thing.

Lastly,
I don't think that what myself and my cohorts are saying here is that it's not out of the question to come up with fantasy liveries and show them to everyone. But when you have people going: "When will AA change it's livery? Why haven't they done so already" it gets old after a while. We're beating a dead horse here. The threads on this topic all say the same thing and it's a waste of valuable bandwidth. Quite frankly I think that it's very crass of you to tell us to just ignore what we don't like. If something bothers you, you should speak out about it-not ignore it. So this topic has reached the point where it is "ne plus ultra" so to speak and no more needs to be said about it.

[Edited 2004-04-17 21:22:26]


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User currently offlineSchweizair From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4088 times:

I like AA's livery but wish they would use something for special occasions. Southwest's Lone Star One and Shamu are nice examples. AA could do something similar. On the other hand, it probably helps save money because they don't need much paint for a new plane. Does anybody know how much more it would cost for AA to paint a plane completely in one color?

User currently offlineConcord977 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1261 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

DeltaMD11,

Not to dwell . . . BUT:

My irritation comes more from some of the hostile emails I have received, moreso than the comments in this thread. I have received comments such as: "were you drunk when you drew this?" or "the only thing this scheme needs is a tomahawk to be complete" or "so-and-so's drawings are so much better than yours", etc.

I am not too concerned whether people like my drawings or anyone else's. But I just cannot believe how negative, arrogant and condescending people can be in this forum.

The bottom line is that you saw the title of the thread before CHOOSING to enter the thread. Then, you made it your point to enter the thread for the purpose of being negative and letting people who AREN'T tired of talkling about this subject know that you ARE tired of it.

Most of us are not here to save lives. But I guess that you are. I've been searching for that life-and-death forum of yours but I haven't found it yet.



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User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 64
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

DELTAMD11 -

Concord is right. You are being an idiot. He nailed it when he called your group cynical.

I've noticed that you initiated each of the topics below. I wonder if any of those were ever talked about before. I wonder if each of these are really important enough to be here.

Why copy a news story off the internet and regurgitate it on here? The front page of this website already has a news area.

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User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

I'd rather not continue this discussion, but I have to get a few closing comments in here. Half of those topics you posted above I never initiated so you better take a second look. Moreover, out of the ones that I did, only 3 are based upon news articles and they brought about good hearty discussions. I'd like you to share your comments with everyone on here that makes a post around a news story, I'm sure that they would appreciate that notion. I also like how you're reverted to the childish art of namecalling--you're such a fartknocker  Big grin  Insane So before you make a poor attempt at reaming someone out, make sure you have yourself and your facts in order.

Now that I've gotten that straightened up, Curt:
Nobody deserves the aforementioned e-mails that you received above. You're perfectly within your means to come up with fantasy liveries and show them to the aviation community. As I remember it, the threads concerning your livieries had a lot of good comments/suggestions/kudos, what have you. And please understand that in no way am I condemning that. What we are saying is that people are habitually asking the same questions and the threads are nothing but the same old answers and assertions. It's getting to be an old regime.

That's all I have to say on the subject. The defense rests.

Edit: Oh and from now on I think that on my part I'm going to make better use of the Suggest Deletion feature when a topic comes up that has been discussed to death. A small oversight on my part from the get-go. And upon further research on my end it lists me as the thread started for some of those topics above but I never started those threads---the AA F100 56 seat thread stood out when I first saw that. I didn't even know AA operated 56 seat F-100's up until a week or two ago when someone made a post about them. And I certainly never posted anything on the civil aviation forum about u-boats. Just a few examples, but there are more like that in that list. Must be a glitch in the forum software.

[Edited 2004-04-18 18:16:39]


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User currently offlineAirtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3690 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3810 times:
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I swear this topic is brought up almost as much as "When will NW retire their DC-9's?" and "Which is better, Airbus or Boeing?" and "When will NW retire their DC-9's" Did I mention that one already? Well in the five seconds it took me to type it, I'm sure at least two people asked "When is NW going to retire their DC-9's?"


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