SickBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 35 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6369 times:
I am currently deployed with an Air Force active duty squadron to the Middle East as a classified information handler. I have always been very interested in aviation but flying so often around here has just sparked a bonfire of motivation to become a pilot. My goal is to become a pilot for a commercial airliner eventually flying wide bodies or heavies. With this in mind what would you recommend I do to achieve this goal the quickest as far as which or what type of schooling/training to get involved in.
So far I have 3 years left in the Air Force and I plan on attaining a bachelors degree by the time I am out. I also plan on using the $32000 Montgomery G.I. bill for training and I do posses a Top Secret:SCI clearance. I am 24 and also have 5 years of solid job experience with complex machinery.
I have seen a couple of pilot programs aimed at the potential aviation professional and the one that sparked my interest the most was Embry Riddles CAPT program for college graduates. It claims that each student will finish the program with approximately 550 hours of total flight experience in aircraft and flight simulation devices. In addition, you will receive 600 classroom contact hours of Aeronautical Academics and Ground School. From the 550 hours of total flight experience, a student will log approximately 300 hours as Pilot In Command/Dual Received of which 90 hours is logged in the Boeing MD-90 EFD full-motion, Level D simulator.
It also says you can earn an FAA certified Captain's type rating in a Boeing MD-90 Transport Jetliner, which validates airline employability and exceeds industry standards.
This program costs about $65,000. I have seen schools with similar claims but for about $30,000 but there is no MD-90 rating and about 200 logable hours less.
Do you professional pilots think the Embry Riddle program would be a good way to get into the industry? Any help and info as to the best way to get my foot in the door and any stories of how you made it yourself would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much-
PS- Sorry if this topic has already been done, but I could not find a similar one with the search function.
BritPilot777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6286 times:
Where in America do you live? I just did some training down in Florida, obivously you wouldnt mind it here if you were interested in Embry Riddle. There are a lot of flight schools here. I just did some training at Orlando Flight Training in Kissimmee, however there are millions. Best thing to do is gather all the info you can, and then make a decision.
SickBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 35 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6239 times:
I live in the Tuscon, Arizona area on an Air Force base. I would consider relocating anywhere in the U.S. when my 3 years of service are up. I am mostly skeptical if it would be worth paying for simulator training in an MD-90 or if I really have a better chance just getting ratings for private pilot with instrument and multi-engine and just taking any low paying job I can get to build hours as quick as possible. I gather you need 1000 hours of IFR with 200 being multi before you can get hired by a regional airlines.
Do you feel you will be able to find work with your training you recieved in Kissimmee? Thanks alot for the reply.
CalPilot17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 109 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6077 times:
That G.I. bill will pay for most all of your flying, with one requirement that the school is part 141 and you do it that way. I personally believe that you shoot throught private instrument commercial and then become a cfI Then you can get paid to log time, I would stay away from programs were you get typed, there are not a lot of MD-90 out there and nobody going to put you in the right seat of one with 600 hours. Your best bet in my opinion is to get cfI meI, get that moldy time and get any kind of job that allows you to log some turbine time, not many airline require type rating to get hired. The airlines don't care about were you went or how you got there they only care about time in the log book. Great lakes(small commuter Midwest)is hiring with 1000 totals 100 multi. But by the time you get your ratings things may have changed, 3 years ago some people were getting on with 700 total, and year ago you need time in the space shuttle to get a job
Flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6761 posts, RR: 6 Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6048 times:
There will be a lot more jobs comming with in the next 5-15 years due to all the Vietnam pilots retiring and the Regional Jet Fleet doubling. So It is your choice. You can go the CFI way or the fast paid program. I think the best is Mesa Flight academy. It is a 10 month program that coast around $45,000. If you keep an average of 80 or higher in the classes you will be guaranteed an interview with Mesa. 96% of its graduates are flying in a CRJ or Beech1900 with in a year! That is the way I am hoping to go. I think you need some flight time first though. Also there is a new Florida Regional Carrier doing something similar forgot the name do a search on the forum of Florida regional unless anyone else remember it.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
SickBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 35 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5930 times:
Thank you very much for the replies, tonight I found alot about the capt program and it does not really sound like it is as great as erau makes it out to be. Also I have my sights set for commercial, but when my enlisted is up and I think it would be better to get my commision and hope for a C-17, I might do that instead, but first I will get my private and finish college then see where I stand.
SickBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 35 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5798 times:
What is your take on ERAU and the CAPT program? It looks like you might not like it by the looks of that website. And sorry about the bad grammar on my last post, I had to type that out as quick as possible then run.
NW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 491 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5717 times:
To be honest, I have no personal experience with the CAPT program, but a lot of instructors here at ERAU don't have very good opinions about it. CAPT is a very expensive program and eventhough it carries the Riddle name, it has only been around for a year or so and ERAU is still experimenting with it; therefore, I would strongly recommend that if you are looking to get into a flight program within the next few years that you look into the Delta Connection Academy in Orlando: their program is set up for exactly what you are looking for and has been established for a decade or more. CAPT will be great once it figures out what is going on, but if you enroll in the next two or three years, you will end up being a guinea pig for ERAU.
Just me two cents and I hope that it helped, I wish you the best of luck.
NW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 491 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5695 times:
FYI: the 550hrs of time CAPT promises is not all loggable. Also, the MD90 that we have here is shared with CAPT and the regular ERAU students. It is an expensive program for what you get: a type rating in an MD90 with a glass cockpit. Riddle got that sim for cheap for a good reason; I can count how many airlines operate the MD90 with the 717 flight deck on my right hand and none of them are in the US. I think DL is the only US carrier with the MD90 (could be mistaken) and they don't have the 717 flight deck, its the same semi-EFIS flight deck found in the MD88. DL is also phasing out their MD90 fleet.
One more thing, I wouldn't take the website I offered too seriously. There are some really good points made; however, I just wanted you to see it just to make the point that the program is new and is still a little rocky.
SickBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 35 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5539 times:
Well thank you everyone for the advice. After reviewing and researching as much as I could I am kind of sold on the Delta Connections Academy. I think I will finish my degree up and get my private and maybe instrument while still in the Air Force, then enroll in that academy. Thanks alot for your advice.