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777LR And The Airbus 340-500  
User currently offline777d From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

I have to ask a few questions regarding the market for the ultr long range planes.

With Boeing claiming that their 777LR can hold more people and fly farther is great, however do I want more people on the plane when I am flying for 18-20 hour flight? I prefer to have more space to stretch out, walk around and over of course to sleep. Could this be a marketing problem with Boeing since more people would take more space? I would assume 777LR is bigger and can hold more people but at the sametime offer space?

Is there a market for these routes? I imagine a few routes, of course SIN-LAX and DFW-SYD, but are there other routes that airlines are stating the they must planes that fly for 18-20 hours?

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User currently offlineNorthwest 777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

The main thing to remember is that the seating configuration is 100% up to the airline itself.

User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3822 times:

Airlines do not determine how it takes to get from point A to point B.

Right now the only A340-500 operators are SQ and EK.

SQ flying them on SIN-LAX and starting SIN-EWR (JFK?) in the near future.

Emirates is flying them between Dubai and Australia, and if you look at one of the other threads starting DXB-JFK followed by DXB-SFO.

The 777-200LR has racked up orders from EVA Air and PIA if I am not mistaken...for deliveries beginning what was it...january 2005 and june 2005 respectively?




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User currently offlineMotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3038 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

There are plenty of opportunites for these aircraft and airlines to use them, however, many will be watching SQ and EK closely to measure the flying publics' response to this new type of flight.

TG will use their A345's on BKK-LAX and BKK-JFK.
MH will likely fly the same routes but from KUL.
Personally, don't see why Eva are interested - most of the world is within their reach currently.
QF (if they ordered) could introduce SYD-DFW, SYD-AKL-JFK, SYD-YVR, PER-LHR.
PIA will likely use it for new U.S. direct routes from KHI.
South African (if they ordered) could introduce JNB-NRT and JNB-ORD flights.
NZ could order and beat QF to the SYD-AKL-JFK route.

The usable floor-space/area is slightly larger aboard the 772LR than the A345, but as others have said, configuration of an aircraft is contingent entirely upon the respective airline's desire.

Regards
MH



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

january 2005 and june 2005 respectively?

First delivery is to PIA in Jan 06


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

CB is EVA in June 2006?


PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3564 times:

Not quite sure of the exact dates, but the general delivery schedule:

2005 - 2 773ERs
2006 - 2 772LRs
2007 - 1 772LR, 3 773ERs
2008 - 5 773ERs
2009 - 2 773ERs


User currently offlineGuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 838 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

MH hasn't ordered either aircraft, to my knowledge.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 17 hours ago) and read 3041 times:

MH hasn't ordered either aircraft, to my knowledge.

They havent, but they've released several press clips stating their interest. Close too: MH ops both A330s and 772ERs-- though their longhaul twins are all RR.


Also... interesting to note that MH's ship MRA holds the records for both 1) longest nonstop flight and 2) fastest subsonic global circumnavigation, ever performed by a commercial aircraft.

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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 15 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

I think it would be difficult for MH to fly the LAX and NYC routes with KUL being in close proximity to SIN.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 15 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

Perhaps if they join SkyTeam... we could see something along the lines of a nonstop KUL-ATL

Unlikely, I know... but THAT would be impressive  Wow!


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