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Any Possibility Of A NW MKE-AMS Flight?  
User currently offlineAirtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4423 times:
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With all of the recent city additions that NW has made in MKE I was wondering if anyone might be able to see an AMS flight in the future. A red-eye arrival would provide good connections to the west coast and Florida. What do you think (if anything) it would take for NW to add this route? You have to admidt that it would be nice to see the DC-10 back in MKE.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

While its a nice thought, its unlikely to happen.....NW has had an on and off relationship with MKE over the past 20 years, now they are stepping up service with CRJS. I do not think that MKE could support a transatlantic service with O&D traffic (even with all of the connection points offered via AMS) especially because there is so much choice to Europe out of nearby OHare. As far as connecting traffic, KL/NW has that covered via DTW and MEM to central/southeast/florida destinations, plus MSP offers additional connection possibilities to the west coast.



User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4396 times:

Not unless an A319LR in a PrivatAir configuration came in NW's arsenal (which would probably be a success at that point).

Otherwise, no.

MKE has a very limited customs and int'l arrivals facility.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4382 times:

IMHO - You have to many other choices all in the area, ORD being a drivable distance, and then you have DTW and MSP being one stop away.


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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3524 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4361 times:

No but i heard Aeroflot is starting nonstop MSN-SVO 2x seasonal for the summer time  Big grin


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User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

You have to many other choices all in the area, ORD being a drivable distance, and then you have DTW and MSP being one stop away.

It is a rarity that a ticket out of ORD is less expensive than leaving from MKE. It is almost always cheaper to leave out of MKE and connect elsewhere, even ORD.



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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

I doubt it.

I'd place my money on PHX or LAS to receive NW/KL's next services to AMS... yes, the latter is a lesiure market without much freight but NW's flights from DTW, MSP and MEM already handle a large amount of connecting European traffic and NW's vacation arm MLT Vacations (doing business as WorryFreeVacations and NWA WorldVacations) has been ranked as high as the top three in vacation packages sold to LAS -- and those are profitable...


User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4184 times:

DFW and DEN are also possibilities... wouldn't shock me to see NW/KL service to either of those cities from AMS.


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N-Dub



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4150 times:
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It seems more logical to have a flight like that out of a focus scity doesnt it? I know that everyone is waiting for the MKE-SEA flight, but from what I'm told the O&D numbers arent there for it.


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User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4115 times:

What about PDX to AMS? It would be great to see Northwest build up it presence at PDX here similar to Seattle's...

User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4029 times:

DutchJet,

The majority of flights in and out of MKE are NOT on the RJ's..but mainline.



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3995 times:
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The point that i was trying to make is that NW is soon to be up to 29 flights a day to 12 destinations. Six of those flights will be CRJ's, but the other 23 will be mainline. How much more will NW have to grow in MKE before they get a flight to AMS.


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User currently offlineSANSCOTT744 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

Northwests buildup at MKE is an attempt to stifle YX that is the only reason for the build up. The on again off again relationship is an attempt to upset the applecart. Northwest is upset that the state of Wisconsin gives tax credit to Midwest. Since 9/11 Midwest is struggling but only a little and NWA sees this as an opportunity to drive them out of Milwaukee only to increase fares later on. No there will be no MKE-AMS flights unless its an A319 in an international seat configuration. hahaha

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3976 times:
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Why not use a DC-9, at least you know that it wont break.  Big grin Sure you'll need a couple of fuel stops, but it'll get you there.


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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3960 times:

I wonder if NW will retaliate the new YX MKE-SFO flight with a flight or two of their own. It sure wouldn't surprise me.

-Copa


User currently offlineDtwintlflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3846 times:

Maybe out of PHL again...there have rumblings for the past few years but so far nothing. I think it was flight 40 or 48 that was the PHL AMS before it switched to DTW. I can't see DEN although I did hear that a few years ago. Going into DEN would be stepping into a fight with UAL.. PHL is different only because USAIR continues to have deep financial problems. Hopefully PHL....LAS also could be a viable option...

User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

No one is serving the AMS-DFW route, I'm sure a KL/CO/NW codeshare 763 could work on the route? Daily in the summer with reduced freq in the winter?

Also, NW should open a LAX-AMS 332 route when they get the a/c, especially in the summer, the route would be well supported.

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineAZO From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

KL already serves the LAX market.


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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3770 times:
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I believe there are certain markets that prohibit one or the other from serving at the same time as per an alliance agreement.


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User currently offlineATLhomeCMH From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 770 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

I agree with SANSCOTT744...NW is merely trying to flex their muscle and damage a locally-based carrier...although, despite YX's cutbacks in their famous service, I think they'll survive...

An AMS flight in unlikely, like everyone has said, because the demand for it is too low...and b/c NW has two other hubs within a one state radius...plus ORD is right down the road...

It's like the conversation I've had before about why CMH will never become a hub...too close by there's CVG, CLE, PIT, DTW, IND...and ORD is one stop away.

I love MKE and hope it would happen, but it's wishful thinking!  Sad



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User currently offlineAZO From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

NW is merely trying to flex their muscle and damage a locally-based carrier

I would like to see your proof of that. Where did you get the office memo or whatever from NW claiming this as being the only reason to serve MKE? It is a market they have been strong in for many many years, and they are only trying to increase their service there, as within other markets (such as GRR, FNT), with more point-to-point service. Making money by adding flights does not necessarily mean they are operating with the motive of shutting down a smaller competition.



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User currently offlineAirtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3658 times:
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Northwest started to pay attention to FNT when they noticed that AirTran was kicking their butt.


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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

DEN and DFW are unlikely due to the facet that any service would be countered with service from UA and AA (and yes, they currently don’t serve AMS) respectively. PHL would be a solid contender, although the route suffered losses the first time around – and US has long been rumored to reduce service to seasonal or withdraw completely (again)…

I’ll maintain PHX (most likely) and LAS will be the most likely expansion choices…


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3502 times:
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NW lost 30 million on the PHL-AMS route that year that they operated it. I think the biggest problem about it was that NW never advertised it in PHL. I mean maybe not tv, but local newspapers, magazines, and billboards at the airport, even. I was living in Philadelphia when they were operated it. I never saw anything regarding it.


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User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3889 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

I flew PHL-AMS while in college. The flight was 100% full... so people knew about it. But we got the seats for such a rediculous amount of money.. and then opped upgraded into C class (I was a flirt and a silver elite) that stuff like that never allowed them to make money. Full flights don't always equal profits.


AZJ


25 HUYfan : I know KL operat daily 744s on the AMS-LAX route, but there is definitely more demand for seats, especially in the summer. KLM should reduce available
26 IndustrialPate : Northwest started to pay attention to FNT when they noticed that AirTran was kicking their butt. Care to back that up? The true success of FNT can be
27 ATLhomeCMH : AZO: Should I need proof when I'm already stating the obvious? You pretty much turned around and answered your own question. It's a matter of making m
28 IndustrialPate : ATLhomeCMH, NW’s enormous presence (in terms of market share) dates back to long before Midwest Express was in existence. NW mentioned several years
29 AZO : I'm sorry but just because you have had bad experiences on NW does not mean that their whole reason for expanding at MKE is to cripple YX. And to answ
30 Ssides : I would personally like to see O&D data for all US traffic headed for AMS ... how many passengers are actually connecting elsewhere? I would think a l
31 MAH4546 : I would personally like to see O&D data for all US traffic headed for AMS ... how many passengers are actually connecting elsewhere? I would think a l
32 Mikey711MN : Has Milwaukee County ever subsidized service or offered incentives to airlines directly to provide service to the airport? Somehow if an airline like
33 Slider : MKE doesn't have the local market size needed to effectively sustain AMS service, period. And NW's schedule, while impressive, isn't a connecting hub
34 Mizzou65201 : Slider: All true, except much of that "legacy" was tarnished in Sept. 1992 when NW shut down the old mini-hub and MKE became just another spoke statio
35 Mlsrar : Has Milwaukee County ever subsidized service or offered incentives to airlines directly to provide service to the airport? Touchy topic. If you call t
36 IndustrialPate : Sorry IP, I don't mean to be a hater, but you need to fess up when you're wrong. Wrong about…? Sorry, but if a.netters are going to continue to make
37 AAJAXFlyer : Northwest and Midwest have existed together in MKE before... to a much larger extent. NW used to have even more service out of Milwaukee. Going back t
38 IndustrialPate : Mlsrar , After reading your comments concerning me, it’s certainly not worth my time responding to you. However, I’ll ask you and the rest of a.ne
39 Mlsrar : However, I’ll ask you and the rest of a.net one more time to provide concrete evidence that NW’s expansion within the MKE market is an attempt to
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