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NW & UA: Which Aircraft Types Not To Be Repainted?  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6438 posts, RR: 17
Posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5930 times:

Which aircraft types in the fleets of UA and NW

will NOT get the new colors?




Also, what types WILL BUT HAVE NOT YET have the new colors?


Thanx.

[Edited 2004-04-20 17:56:16]


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
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User currently offlineGVROYphx From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5892 times:

Well obviously NW has gonna paint them all....look at the DC-10 posting. And UA the same...think about it...

- Roy


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6438 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

So NW DC-9-10 and UA 762 are going to be repainted?


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineRedtailmsp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5868 times:

NWA's DC9-10s will not be painted, all other fleets will be. The freighters will in time have the new tail colors and presumably some change to the fuselage too (with regards the non-painted fuselages that is). Too bad about the DC9-10 - I think the shortened fuselage would look good. I don't know about the Mesaba Saabs, but the ARJs will be painted - and some of them REALLY need it too.

User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5847 times:
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For NW, I can say that the DC9-10 won't be repainted in the new colors. I would guess and say that the SF3 will probably be given a pass. Possibly the ARJ's will be painted in the NC. The rest of the fleet has an example repainted.


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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5791 times:

I have a very hard time believing that UA is going to repaint their 762 fleet. They have publicly stated that they intend to retire them, so it wouldn't make sense to repaint airplanes that they will soon be sending to the desert or wherever else.



User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6438 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5740 times:

intend to retire them, so it wouldn't make sense to repaint airplanes that they will soon be sending to the desert or wherever else.

 Nuts

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User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5669 times:

UA has already sold off its 767-200s. They will be gone soon, before there is any need to repaint them.

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5626 times:

From www.unitedsvcs.com .....
"Five Model B767-222EM (ETOPS) and two Model B767-222 aircraft available now. A total of 16 aircraft will be available by June 2005. "


B767-222EM N611UA 21872 1982
B767-222 N601UA 21862 1983
B767-222EM N602UA 21863 1983
B767-222EM N608UA 21869 1982
B767-222EM N609UA 21870 1982
B767-222EM N610UA 21871 1982
B767-222 N615UA 21876 1983

So it looks like UA744Flagship is right.
I would have loved to see a 727 in new colors  Smile



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User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5492 times:

AFAIK, there is no word on painting any of the XJ aircraft. The Saabs, if repainted, will not have a livery change. As far as the Avros, if NW and XJ can decide who is responsible for painting them, there is a chance of it. It could be possible that they will hang onto the bowling shoe for the remaining ~2 years of service. The replacement of the ARJ will be delivered in new colors.

DC-9-10s will be retired by the end of the year and will not have a repaint.

NWA Repainted:
CRJ
DC-9-30
DC-9-40
DC-9-50
A319
A320
757-500
757-600
757-300
DC-10-30
A330-300
747-200
747-400

NWA NOT Repainted:
SF-340
ARJ-85
DC-9-10


User currently offlineDc8jet From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5377 times:

What exactly are a 757-500 and 757-600?

User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5348 times:

What exactly are a 757-500 and 757-600?


--Dc8jet, they don't exist. I'm having a hard time telling whether you are clueless or are being sarcastic. Well, either is justified, becaused AviatorTJ has no idea what he is talking about either  Big grin



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User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

Edited to add this lil' intro...

I'm having a hard time telling whether you are clueless or are being sarcastic. Well, either is justified, becaused AviatorTJ has no idea what he is talking about either

Or maybe you don't know what you're talking about. Read on.



What exactly are a 757-500 and 757-600?

NW's two models of the 757-200 (this can get confusing, can't it?).

The 755 is the newer model and seats 180...

http://www.nwa.com/travel/trave/seatm/755/


The 756 is the older model and seats 184...

http://www.nwa.com/travel/trave/seatm/756/index.shtml


As a side note, NW's website shows a 756 in an international configuration, which seats 182. Can't say I've flown on this type, but here's the link. Do these planes serve the flights out of NRT?

http://www.nwa.com/travel/trave/seatm/756int/index.shtm



Regards,

N-Dub


[Edited 2004-04-21 01:30:10]


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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5277 times:

Now I'm just confused. How on earth can NW create its own type of 757? Yes, NWA man, you've proven I'm wrong. Apologies to AviatorTJ, you have every reason to say the 757-500 and the 757-600. So the 755 and the 756 are variants of the 752. But why did Boeing never talk about giving the two different types of window arrangements different model names of the 752? The Boeing website says absolutely nothing about them, neither does my Boeing book which gives complete coverage of the 757's introduction and entrance into service. Has NW just decided to call them these to distinguish the two window arrangements?


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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5274 times:

The 756 is the older model and seats 184...

It's the other way around. The 5500 series a/c are the 33 original deliveries (1985-1988) whereas the 5600 series are the newer deliveires (1995-1996 and 2001-2002).

NW's website shows a 756 in an international configuration, which seats 182.

These are the aircraft based in Japan. NW removed a row of seats in F (errrr... WorldBusinessClass) on the right side of the a/c, giving a few extra inches of pitch to that side only.


User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5261 times:

How on earth can NW create its own type of 757?

They didn't. The 5500 and 5600 designations refer to the ship numbers (as described in my posting above); NW's internal code for these a/c is 755 for the former and 756 for the latter. It's just internal coding only.


User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5228 times:

I have no idea  Wink/being sarcastic. Perhaps I should have clarified 757 of 500/600 series for the non NW person.

755 ----------------- 756


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[Edited 2004-04-21 01:50:33]

User currently offlineDc8jet From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

Thrust I wasn't being sarcastic, I had never heard those terms used before. I was sitting here going thru all of my 757 info trying to figure out what the heck they were. Thanks NWA Man for setting us straight!

User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5186 times:

Sorry, meant nothing personal to you, Dc8jet. I had never heard of these terms before either, as you no doubt read. I was not making fun of you.


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User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5156 times:

It's the other way around. The 5500 series a/c are the 33 original deliveries (1985-1988) whereas the 5600 series are the newer deliveires (1995-1996 and 2001-2002).


Damn, I told you this can get confusing!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Here's what threw me off... I remembered flying on newer 75s and seeing that the aircraft was a 757-5600. So logically, I thought that meant 755, instead of 756. Thanks for the directions back to the right path.

The easy way to tell what type you're on... if you walk into the plane at 2L, take a look to your left (hopefully you'll be going that way anyways). If you see two rows of Y seats, it's a 755. If you see First Class, it's a 756.



Regards,

N-Dub


edited to add: Nothing personal to Thrust either... I screwed up in my post too. Happens to the best of us.

[Edited 2004-04-21 02:02:28]

[Edited 2004-04-21 02:03:00]


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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5079 times:

The AVROS will be repainted in the silver bullet scheme. The planes belong to NW and are leased to Mesaba. I watch NW close and wasn't aware the Avros are to be replaced in the near future. There was talk of parking the whole fleet(36 planes) just before the deadline of the Mesaba pilot possible strike but that's history now.
safe



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User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5016 times:

755... 756... theyre just internal designations for two differently configured 757-200's. Its kinda like everybody else calling them M80 and American calling theirs "S80".


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User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

Safe, as of right now the Avros will not be repainted. There is nothing written up saying whether NW or XJ is responsible for painting the planes. That is why you only see ones with touch up paint instead of a whole clean livery.

The Avros are here indefinitely, but I would not be surprised if when the ARJ contract expires in a few years, that NW finds a two engine alternative.

__TJ__


User currently offlineHammer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4805 times:

The easiest way to see if it a 5500 or a 5600, look at the coach seating...if there is 3 by 3 seating with no dividers and lavs all the way in the back by door 4L and 4R it is a 5600....the 5500 has 3 by 3 but the lavs are by door 3R and 3L...very simple way to see what you are on...plus the exit's over the wings is a dead give away that is a 5600, whereas the 5500 does not...

User currently offlineAlphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 937 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

Why are the Saabs not going to be repainted? Are their days numbered?


"To he who only has a hammer in his toolbelt, every problem looks like a nail."
25 Post contains links AZO : I have flown on both 5600 and 5500. I love the NW 752s! Yet you hate NW as a company? http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/
26 KaiGywer : The problem with replacing the ARJ, is that NW will have to cancel their ASE flights, which are always full in the winter time. No other jet can get t
27 XJRamper : Why are the Saabs not going to be repainted? Are their days numbered Nope...Mesaba owns them not NW. XJR
28 Azjubilee : Actually... XJ doesn't own any of its planes. Not een the saabs. XJ leases the avros and all the B+ saabs from NW. The As and Bs are leased independan
29 XJRamper : I stand corrected...thanks Azj The straight Bs are Pinnacle owned aren't they? Or is XJ subleasing them from PX? XJR
30 Azjubilee : The former PCL Bs (N...PX) are leased from 3rd party lessors. I guess XJ basically took over their leases when NW phased the saabs out of their fleet.
31 PSU.DTW.sCE : We're down to about 2 A models left in the fleet I believe. I haven't seen one fly into here since about early March. They should be gone very, very s
32 Post contains links and images Flyguyclt : All 757's in the NWA fleet are 757-251's and 351's. The 5500,5600 and 5800 are in house terms. The 5500 ship numbers have the number 3 drop down door.
33 BAGSMASHER : Why arent the Saabs being repainted in the new colors. NW is operating with two entirely different logos and marketing images and all that does is con
34 NWA Man : Why arent the Saabs being repainted in the new colors. NW is operating with two entirely different logos and marketing images and all that does is con
35 Aguilo : Why is NWA getting rid of the DC-9-10s but keeping the other a/c types of DC9s? Are the DC9-10s too old or too small to justify keeping around in the
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