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Take-Off/Landing Rolls?  
User currently offlineBiggles20 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 195 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 1 hour ago) and read 4243 times:

Hello All,
I know this topic has been done in the past, but both threads are now archived and thus inaccessible, so here goes another one!
What are your experiences of longest take-off and landing rolls (and come to mention it shortest take-off/landing rolls).

I personally don't usually time these rolls, but I once did on a fully booked B744 from SIN-LHR out of interest. Coincidently, the take off felt like my longest ever (at about 50 seconds) and I began to doubt whether we would ever get airborne.
Interestingly, all my landing rolls have been relatively short for all types (commuter/short/long haul, narrow/wide-body), and even when I've had my doubts about the landings that seemed to float forever down half the runway, the planes still stopped well short with little effort? Is there any reason for this do you think?

What are your experiences? Thanks anyway for being patient with another posting like this again!

biggles

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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 hour ago) and read 4193 times:

I read an article about VS flights from Johannesburg to LHR on A340-300s, that took a full 90 seconds to takeoff from the South African airport. The airport is located something like 6,000 ft above sea level and temperatures are very high during the summer (reaching 40 degrees celcius some days)


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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (10 years ago) and read 4117 times:

My longest take off rolls have been:
KLM B747-400 (PH-BFN) MEX - AMS in 1998...more than one minute.
Iberia A340-300 (EC-GHX) MAD - UIO. in 2003..almost the entire length of Madrid´s RWY 36L (About 14200 ft)

Both flights were completely full.

Shortest take off roll:
Delta B757-200 GUA - ATL



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User currently offlineMischadee From Sweden, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years ago) and read 4004 times:

I experienced a very short take-off roll from ARL runway 08. It was on a SAS A333. The total length of the runway is 2800 meters and we were fully loaded. First I wondered why we didn't use the longer runway and I was a bit worried. It amazed me that we rotated about half down the runway.

The longest one was with a 747-200 in Nadi (fidji). It took us forever to get off the ground. A bit scary.

Mischa.



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User currently offlineRB211LTN From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years ago) and read 3948 times:

When I was at BA the 744 used to take an eternity to get airborne for the return flight to LGW. NBO is quite high up, I think. I really used to wonder if we would get airborne before we ran out of runway. Fortunately we always did! I came back from JNB last year and the 744 took ages to get airborne from there, too. I've never timed a take-off run.


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User currently offlineBMAbound From Sweden, joined Nov 2003, 660 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years ago) and read 3915 times:

I timed Premiair's A300 I was on. We departed a 10800 ft runway at ARN and it took almost 50 seconds.

johan



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User currently offline5NEOO From Nigeria, joined Nov 2003, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years ago) and read 3845 times:

I read an article about VS flights from Johannesburg to LHR on A340-300s, that took a full 90 seconds to takeoff from the South African airport.

90 seconds is a bit to extreme for a take-off roll (irregardless of altitude). Most longer rolls tend to take between 50 secs to a little over a minute.



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User currently offlineMatt27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3820 times:


SIN-AMS with GA 744 around 50 sec, and it felt like it took forever.

Shortest landing roll was yesterday (Mon) at GOT with OK ATR-72, the captain was still reversing the engines when he turned on to the taxiway.


User currently offlineOS-A330 From Austria, joined Aug 2001, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

BKK-FRA on LH 744 "Berlin"

Plane was entirely full (as the name of Germany's most populous city suggests)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
We took off almost at the very end of the runway which is about 3700m / 12000 ft

[Edited 2004-04-20 23:35:20]

User currently offlineOS-A330 From Austria, joined Aug 2001, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3693 times:

And, OH YES, for all of you who haven't already seen the following pics:

A take-off roll which lasted almost too long!!!:


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User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4773 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

No one believes me when I say this, but I'll say it again anyways. My longest takeoff roll was on a CP 737-200 YYC-YYJ, a very short flight of 394 nm in August 1997. The takeoff roll lasted aprox. 1min 10sec and after the rotation I could not see the runway. The temperature that day was aprox 32C and the flight was completely full...but then again YYC I believe has the longest runway in Canada (14,000ft?).

The shortest roll I have had on a commercial aircraft was 15 sec on a Dash 8-100 YTZ-YOW in Oct 2002.
The shortest roll on a passenger jet was an AC 737-200 YYZ-YOW in Sept 2002, lasted about 25 sec.


User currently offlinePr1268 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3556 times:

I remember IAH-BWI in a CO MD80 several years back - we were almost on the West piano keys of runway 26(L) of IAH before we were airborne. 9400' / 2865m

Also on CO, SFO-IAH in a 733 we used less than 4000' / 1219m of 28L. And that's a 3 1/2 hour flight! My more recent AUS-BWI on WN (last summer) was 7500' or so of 17L (9000' / 2743m). I wondered how WN might have accomplished that at the "old" AUS (Robert Mueller Muni) with its 7269' / 2215m back before the new Bergstrom Int'l was complete.

Is it just me, or do others like monitoring the 1000' markers as they pass by during t/o or landing?



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User currently offlineHodges From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 138 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

The shortest take-off roll was on a Colgan Air Beech 1900C at ITH headed for LGA. Must have only lasted a little less than 10 seconds. The pilots advanced the throttle and held the brakes in for a few seconds. The only reason I can think of for this is because it was a rainy day and the pilots wanted to stay on the runway for as short a time as possible to avoid hydroplaning. Oh, and it was my first time flying alone, and it was awesome!

Regards,

Erik



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User currently offlineTrey From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 250 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

ATL-JNB on SAA back in June 2001. Fully loaded 747. Pilot even said it would be a long roll, and i think we used just about all of the runway. Seemed like it at least.

User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3463 times:

Do helicopters count?  Wink/being sarcastic

XV




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User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

BOM-LHR BA742.

The take off roll was a shade under a minute. It was pretty sweet though, those RB211's sounded real nice.



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User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3553 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

I was on DL 1993/2 from ATL-JFK in a 767-300ER and we were airborn well before the terminals started.

User currently offlineUsatoeze From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 358 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

Among the shortest takeoffs I have had was a Finnair MD11 with only 60 people on it from JFK to HEL. Felt like we were riding a rocket, but the absolute fastest was a ACA(DL) Dornier 328 Jet CVG-TOL in February.

The slowest was a fully loaded(Pax plus im sure some cargo) AA 763 EZE-JFK on New Years Eve.
Another horribly slow takeoff was a US Air 321 LAX-PIT redeye during the summer. It was fully loaded and as we tookoff towards the Pacific we used almost all of the runway before going out over the Pacific.



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User currently offlinePr1268 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3251 times:

I do realize this is a cargo a/c, but while we're on the topic, does anyone have a similar pax flight t/o similar to this at the old Kai Tak? Or Kansai? London City? SFO 1L/1R?


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Surely a nail-biter for that CX cargo crew!



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User currently offlineFlyingNanook From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 830 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

I'm not too sure about the longest take-off roll but my shortest (non-prop plane) take-off roll was on an AS 737-200 combi which was configured all passenger and was about 1/4 full. (Which would be about 30 passengers). Also since we were only going from FAI-ANC, the plane didn't need much fuel loaded on. Anyways, we were on a very light plane with pretty powerful engines. The take-off roll seemed like maybe 15 seconds long. It was much shorter than I'm used to when flying on the combis.

Incidentally, when we were approaching ANC, we were a little too high and a little too fast so just before we were over the runway, the pilots deployed the spoilers and the plane dropped like a rock for a second. That was scary.



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User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3076 times:

I also witnessed the longest take off roll of my life in HKG, it was a KLM Asia 744, fully loaded, it used all the runway, I assumed it was going to AMS. It was real hot and humid that day, mid 80's and in July. The take off reminded me of that CX picture up above


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User currently offlineSpoon04 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

Not the longest, but my most "nerve-wracking" take-off roll was on an old NW DC-9-50 leaving out of TPA on a VERY hot, and humid July afternoon. That mother had to have been maxed-out with psgrs, mail and freight because we just kept rolling, and rolling and rolling.... We never seemed to be picking up speed and in all candor, I was getting QUITE nervous. Finally, the nose rotated a few degrees and we seemed to struggle in order to achieve any degree of lift. Eventually (well after what seemed an eternity) we lifted off and IMMEDIATELY the water of Tampa Bay appeared below us. NOT a real pleasant experience.

User currently offlineAll4BWI From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

Hey Pr1268, yeah I monitor the 1000' markers during t/o and landing. Fun stuff!


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User currently offlineTheflcowboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

DL 727 back in the day. Took off on 18R and still had all bogies on the ground as we passed the south end of terminal F. Started to practice reaching for my life preserver after that one.


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User currently offlinePr1268 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Charles Lindbergh might've been kinda nervous when taking the Ryan XP-1 off from Roosevelt Field on his historic flight. After all, 452 gallons of fuel (isn't that just less than 3000 lbs?), single-engine monoplane, grass runway (which was kinda soft if I remember reading the details right), 223 hp engine, let's hope it don't quit during the t/o roll!

I saw an amateur video of Lindbergh's t/o and then realized just how fast that "gas can with wings" needed to be traveling just to get airborne. Scary stuff considering that he cleared the telephone wires at the end of the field by just 10 feet or so.

Also, when Dick Rutan and Jeanna Yeager flew that plane around the world nonstop/non-refueled in December 1986, they used 14,200' of Edwards' 15,000' runway and then struggled to maintain 100 fpm climb for several hours. Also spooky stuff.



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25 ATA L1011 : My longest was on one of our L1011-100's from LAX to HNL back in 2000, it took 57 sec from spool up to lift off. It was very long and slow acceleratin
26 Pr1268 : While discussing the time of t/o rolls here, How long do SAA's 744's usually roll down JNB's runways whenever they're going some place far (like ATL o
27 Ckfred : I was on an AA Fokker on ATL-ORD. The take-off roll wasn't as long as a 747-400 flying trans-Pacific. But, the pilots did a no-flap take off, so the p
28 Post contains links and images Flight152 : Here is a good related photo View Large View MediumPhoto © Zach Gollman
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