Kl911 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2003, 5500 posts, RR: 15 Posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4410 times:
This is not intended to start a EU vs US war, but imagine: the Airline world was totaly liberated, American companies are making losses, European airlines are making profit, which airline would takeover who?
LH taking over UA and US
BA taking over AA
AF Taking over DL
StevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4263 times:
LH taking over UA and/or US...
That would create the largest airline in the world, would it not? Same would hold true if BA took over AA.
So, I would say that even if the ownership rules are relaxed enough to allow 50.1% or more, I still think the DOJ and EU would kill the deal. I don't even think W's DOJ would allow such a merger, they didn't even allow UA/US, if that's any precedent, and I seriously doubt "sKerry" would allow it either if he got in.
Ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13765 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4224 times:
The politics in the USA, in a major election year, wouldn't allow for any higher % of ownership of any USA based airlines. Part of this is also due to the right of the US government to seize in an emergency, for military use, some of the aircraft of the commercial/freight co's and their crews. Actually some have suggested that Virgin in USA to be created by buying out an existing USA airline, but that knocked down as no co in decent enough shape to be worth taking over and existing foreign ownership rules. There is also the problems of various agreements for US/Foreign flights rights and would an foreign airline want to fly under their name flights within the USA? (where such access is very limited)
Airways6max From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4196 times:
I don't know how such a scenario might play out, but I do think that the U.S. and EU should sign an open-skies agreement, much like the U.S. and Canada. European airlines provide better service than their American counterparts and the competition may be good. Remember what Japanese cars did to American cars? Japanese competition forced the U.S. car manufacturers to make better cars. Competition works and the more choice, the better, certainly for the flying public.
Cadmus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4105 times:
What exactly are the current rules for foreign ownership in the EU and US? And do they refer to total or individual ownership (i.e. 10% of the shares per foreign company, or 10% in total foreign ownership). If it's the latter, how do they stop the limit from being accidently breached?
ScandinA340 From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3944 times:
If it's anything like QF's requirement to have 51% Australian ownership, QF alerts the market when the 51% cap is breached very slightly, and waits the few hours it takes for the active market to drop the foreign shareholding below 51%.
It's very very hard on the open share market to track ownership preemptively or even in real time. So I suspect given the high trading volumes of AMR/UAL, they do a similar thing to QF.