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WN Winglets On Old Colors?  
User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2884 times:


Ok, we all know that Southwest is finally adding winglets to their aircraft.
I saw winglets on an old color B737 yesterday at FLL. I thought the winglets
were only going on the new 700 series. How many planes actually have the
winglets now? and how many of the jets in the old colors have them?
It was pretty strange indeed to see the old orange on the winglets.


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User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3827 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

I don't know how many there are, but I was on Flight 751 AUS-LAS on April 16 and it had winglets in the old colors. (I *think* the aircraft was N742SW) It had the old color scheme on the outside, but the new leather interior.

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8274 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

There are quite a few old colors with winglets. They just add them as the planes come around for maintenance, they aren't discriminating as to color. They are all only -700s.


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

Saw two last Sunday (April 11th) @ LAS.

User currently offlineClrd2go From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2693 times:


Saw one a couple days ago on approach to 35 at MHT.



Jim



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User currently offlineCaptain_777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 295 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

I saw one Saturday about 15 miles out of MHT. It was obvious, with those winglets what kind of plane it was.

User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2617 times:


Its obvious now they have several planes with the winglets, but it was the
first time I had ever seen one at FLL, and I drive by it almost every day.
I know that WN doesnt schedule their aircraft for any particular airport,
but based on the scarcity, do the 700's with the winglets tend to operate
the longer flights and hence would operate from the larger bases, IE LAS,BWI,PHX etc?



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6836 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

When are -300s to start getting winglets?

User currently offlineRj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1854 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

Saw a N/C 737-7 with winglets today at OMA. 1st time I've ever seen a 737 with winglets in person.


User currently offlineJeffinbwi From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2514 times:

Southwest is scheduled to receive 47 new 737-700 this year. August the new aircraft will start rolling off the Boeing assembly line with the winglets factory installed. In the meantime they are installing winglets on the current -700's at a record pace. They do not plan on installing winglets on the 194 737-300's until after the -700's are finished. Keep in mind WN did not start the Canyon blue series until early 2001. There will be classic colored -700's for many years to come.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

>>>When are -300s to start getting winglets?

There are no plans to install winglets on the -300s (or -500s). The -300s and -500s typically operate the shorter flights, and the payback from winglets is less as a result.


>>>I know that WN doesnt schedule their aircraft for any particular airport, but based on the scarcity, do the 700's with the winglets tend to operate the longer flights and hence would operate from the larger bases, IE LAS,BWI,PHX etc?

The winglet-equipped -700s do tend to operate more long-haul flights, but only because -all- -700s do. Roughly half of the -700 fleet now has winglets, and at the rate the installations are being accomplished, it won't be all that long before all -700s have them.

There are alot of things considered in aircraft routings, none the least of which is where the aircraft starts its day, and ends it day. At the end of each day, there are a certain percentage of aircraft that need overnight MX checks/work, and those are the ones routed into overnight spots with MX capabilities. The changes that occur to these planned routings during the day (due to aircraft UNEXPECTEDLY being out of service) are more important considerations, overall, than routing a winglet/non-winglet aircraft on a specific flight. Oh, sure, they will if they can, but the higher priority is the overnight MX consideration. Pretty soon, it'll be a moot point...


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

Here's the proof of old-colors winglets:


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User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2034 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2471 times:
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Ssides, thanks for the plug!  Big thumbs up

I noticed several old colors with winglets, and wondered the same thing, but after a while of thinking about it it made sense.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

I had the pleasure of traveling on *two* winglet-equipped aircraft this last weekend doing OAK-LAX and back. Last Thurs on flight #336 I was on N761RR (routed GEG-OAK-LAX-MCI-MHT) and on Mon. night coming home on flight #2218 I was on N767SW (routed MCO-ABQ-LAX-OAK). Positively lovely birds, as always.


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User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Looks like there are couple of them now. Depicted in Ssides post are:

N719SW
N741SA
N723SW
N717SA

Add to that N710SW, which was here in Columbus not too long ago:


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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6439 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

When will "New Mexico One" get them?

BTW, will that aircraft be coming to TPA anytime in the next week or so?

 Smile



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2292 times:

>>>Looks like there are couple of them now

I just counted them, and out of 159 -700s in the system, 55 are now winglet-equipped, so my earlier "roughly half" figure is actually about a third....


>>>BTW, will that aircraft be coming to TPA anytime in the next week or so?

N781WN (New Mexico One) will be out west all day tomorrow, and won't see TPA...



User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6439 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

DARN!  Sad

I'd like to get a pic of that before it gets winglets.



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User currently offlineLGBGUY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

The 737-300 Will start getting winglets 4Q of 2005....LgBgUY??????

User currently offlineClrd2go From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

RE Capt777

The one I saw on approach to 35 was about 2 miles out...I was driving on
High Range Road in Londonderry as it was on final..a nice sight!


Jim



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

>>>The 737-300 Will start getting winglets 4Q of 2005

Where'd you hear that?

Last I heard, it had been decided not to winglet the -300s, given the shorter flights the -300s run, combined with the shorter return-on-investment (ROI) period of the remaining service life of the -300 fleet didn't make winglets cost-effective overall. (The oldest -300s are pushing 20 years old, and many more are 10-15 years old).

Maybe I'm just out of the loop...  Big grin


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

Geez now that we are on Southwest and we aren't talking about what NW is replacing its DC-9s with, can anyone tell me why Southwest has those blinking landing lights...

 Nuts

Just kidding...

I just had to ask the daily Southwest landing light question


User currently offlineJustplanesmart From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 722 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

Old color 737's with winglets that I know of:
N704SW
N708SW
N710SW
N711HK
N712SW
N713SW
N714CB
N715SW
N716SW
N717SA
N719SW
N723SW
N739GB
N740SW
N741SA
N742SW
N761RR
N763SW
N771SA



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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2065 times:


Justplanesmart,

Thank you. Thats what I was looking for. By your records that makes
19 old color B737-700's for WN.
Appreciate all the help from everyone.



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User currently offlineJeffinbwi From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

I had heard that they would install winglets on the -300s. As far as the age is concerned I was under the impression (perhaps incorrectly) that the winglets pay for themselves in less than a year, even quicker for other airlines with there un-hedged fuel rates.

25 Aaron747 : The above list is not complete as I was on N767SW last week and it had winglets w/old colors as well.
26 Post contains links Lgbguy : Check out this website http://www.angelfire.com/dc/douglasjets Click on Favorite Airlines and go to Southwest Airlines. This site has entire Southwest
27 Silver1SWA : According to my friend who works for WN, to his knowledge, there are NO plans to fit the 737-300s with winglets. He can pretty much tell you everythin
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