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Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America  
User currently offlineArgentina From Argentina, joined Aug 2000, 374 posts, RR: 12
Posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7487 times:

1) Brazil and Chile:

As of June 1st, AR is increasing frequencies on flights from EZE to SCL (from 5 daily to 6 daily) and EZE to GRU (from 3 daily to 4 daily). All will be done with 737/MD88 aircraft.


2) Colombia, Venezuela and Bolivia

Also, on June 2nd AR will inaugurate flights to Bogotá, Colombia, with 4 weekly flights (2 EZE-CCS-BOG-EZE and 2 EZE-BOG-CCS-EZE). This will mean the drop of MD88 flights into CCS. On the other hand, as part of this restructuring, AR flights into VVI, will be done daily with a stopover in COR (Córdoba). So EZE-COR-VVI will use B737.

3) Peru

Daily flights EZE-LIM-EZE will go from 5 A310-300 + 2 MD88 frequencies that AR is offering today to 5 MD88 + 2 A310-300 flights. This is because the sole A310-300 will be used also for flights to BOG and CCS, and some flights to GIG.

4) A310-300 for Domestic Flights
Last flight scheduled EZE-FTE-USH-EZE is for May 14th. From then on it will be used mostly in regional routes.

Brgds

Bob


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User currently offlineWimpycol From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 484 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7389 times:

Nice to see that AR is going strong.

Welcome back to Colombia!
Saludos
Willem Alberto



Colombia... can't wait to be there again!!!!!!!!!!
User currently offlineAeroArgentina From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 192 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7366 times:

This is good news. I'm not too sure about their routing though. EZE-BOG-CCS-EZE sometimes and then EZE-CCS-BOG-EZE others. Maybe a simple EZE-BOG-CCS-BOG-EZE or vice versa would work better (chose the one with the largest traffic first). Just my 2 cents.

User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7366 times:
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It is nice to see AR in BOG once more even though AV will also be limited to 4 weekly non stop flights BOG/EZE/BOG and loose 3 frequencies that were operated via SCL

User currently offlineArgentina From Argentina, joined Aug 2000, 374 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7326 times:

The exact schedule for BOG and CCS is the following

AR1366 - Mondays and Thursdays

EZE-CCS 12:30 18:22
CCS-BOG 19:37 20:38
BOG-EZE 21:52 06:02+1

AR1368 - Wednesdays and Saturdays

EZE-BOG 12:30 16:30
BOG-CCS 17:45 20:35
CCS-EZE 21:50 05:50+1

So attention to spotters in CCS and BOG.

Regards

Bob


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4302 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7322 times:

It would be nice to know which has the biggest loads, BOG or CCS, and why.

Off topic, a few months back I saw a flight map in an World Atlas at a bookstore, there it showed Buenos Aires-Santiago, Buenos Aires-Montevideo, and Buenos Aires-Sao Paulo as 'major world routes'. EZE was the only south american city with multiple of these.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7284 times:

I bet the fares in the SCL-EZE and GRU-EZE routes are very competitive. It will be very interesting if LA, RG and JJ respond by adding more frequencies or lowering their fares.

I wish AR the best. It is good to see it growing.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 835 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7264 times:

Welcome Back to Aerolineasd Argentinas here at SKBO.

Is good to see that AR is going good under the new management

Gus
SKBO



Colombian coffee, the best...take a cup and you will see how delicious it is.
User currently offlineLEO777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7188 times:

Its great to see AR moving forward, maybe they could increase their flights to the US, by adding service to ORD. We have UA doing the run to Buenos Aires, maybe AR could come and compete!
Saludos Argentina



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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7161 times:

Eddie:

Tam does not fly to SCL. I'm not sure if they still fly to Iquique (IQQ), which would be the only Chilean city they serve.
you are right; SCL-EZE in very competitive: AR, LA, SW?, LH, AF, AC, RG and AV. Average cheap tkt: US$100 - US$120 (I Think is cheaper from EZE to SCL). I don't see Lan adding more flights, though. Remember they have enough flights, including 2 daily frequencies on 340s.



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User currently offlineLan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7157 times:

Hi Arcano, are you sure TAM does not fly to SCL? Weren't they flying ASU-SCL with F-100s?

And Eddie, I don't see LAN incresing the number of flights to EZE, they already have 7 daily flights (A320/737/767/A340)

Also I think the SCL-EZE-GRU flight operated by Varig does not exist anymore.


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7134 times:

LanFan:
You are right about Tam, I wanted to say from EZE.
And SCL website today announced the arrival of RG from GRU via EZE, so it's still on.
I think Lan does not use daily 767s to EZE as they do with 340s and 320s.

[Edited 2004-04-22 05:41:10]


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User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7120 times:

LAN operates SCL-EZE with 9 frequencies during high season, and alternating between 6 and 7 for the rest of the year.

I've seen a TAM F100 in SCL already twice this year.

SW-LAFSA does not advertise SCL on their website, but must travel agencies say they do, and I think I saw a couple of SW-LAFSA check-in counters inside SCL.

XV




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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7124 times:

Hi Arcano and Lan_Fanatic. I know JJ does not fly SCL-EZE; I meant that it would be interesting to see how JJ and RG react in the GRU-EZE market and how LA reacts in the SCL-EZE market. Sorry if my comment was incomplete but I thought it was self-explanatory. I believe JJ's only international destinations are EZE, CDG and MIA, all of them out of GRU and MIA also out of another city. The "TAM" that flies to SCL, if I am not mistaken, is the Paraguayan subsidiary of JJ: Transportes Aéreos del Mercosur and it indeed uses F100's.

About possible lower fares between SCL and EZE, I don't think they can go any lower. I had no clue that the average restricted coach ticket was so cheap Arcano! I bet Buenos Aires is full of Chilean tourists all year long. Same thing about possible new frequencies: 7 daily just from LA is a lot... thanks for the info Lan_Fanatic. No way LA will add more capacity. Talk about cross-border puente aéreo!!! I don't think CO has that many daily flights between IAH and MEX (and even if they did, they are all be on narrowbodies and maybe even one regional jet).



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6146 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7113 times:
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I wonder how flights from different Argentine cities to Viña del Mar direct will do? Many Argentine tourists go there, specially people from Mendoza. Any ideas?


MGGS
User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7102 times:

AddieDude:

Your probably right, in which case PZ would serve SCL from ASU. I know PZ serves ASU (x2), VVI & CBB, and MVD daily from EZE. And yes, JJ's only internationals are CDG, EZE and MIA. But don't they have 9 A332s?

XV




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User currently offlineTBCITDG From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 921 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7061 times:

I can't believe just how busy the route between SCL and EZE is! I always knew that EZE was a big hub for US and European airlines but I never knew such heavy traffic existed between the two neighbor's. No wonder rumors here at QF continuously circulate about QF taking back the route to South America, EZE in fact and then a shuttle to SCL. Although last I heard SCL would not be served by QF and we would fly to Brazil. I'll see it when it happens.


User currently offlineArgentina From Argentina, joined Aug 2000, 374 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6998 times:

SW-Lafsa and Varig are definitely out of the SCL-BUE route.

Players on EZE-SCL are:

AR (5 daily B737/MD88)
LA (7 daily A320/A340)
AF (1 daily B772)
LH (1 daily A346)
AV (3 weekly B767 + 1 weekly B757 SCL-EZE only)
AC (3 weekly B763)

Brgds

Bob


User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6993 times:

Aerolineas Argentinas Adds Flts To Latin America

im sorry, but that cracked me up Big grin Big grin Big grin


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4302 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 6940 times:

AR385,

Tourist numbers from western Argentina (mostly Mendoza), to Viña del Mar have rebounded but still not up to the good'ol 1 dollar = 0,98 peso cents days.

One would think the road problems on RN7 and the very confusing, sometimes dangereous mountain road detours (brought by the building of the Potrerillos Dam, Village and resort megaproject), would have prompted an increase in charter flights. Perhaps the numbers are not big enough or people just enjoy driving over, an 8 hour trip. The highway over the Andes is incredible, but if I was on vacation and could afford it, I'd want to 'hop', avoid all that construction, and get it over within 45 minutes...



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4302 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 6923 times:

Oohh, and I forgot of course, the MDZ-SCL daily routes probably absorb any flying tourism travel from Mendoza to the Chilean riviera...


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User currently offlineLan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 6912 times:

I visited a long time ago Viña del Mar airport...and it isn't really an airport, it is an aerodrome, so I think it wouldn't be able to handle more traffic than a few Cessnas

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6896 times:

Wow! 105 flights between EZE and SCL per week is impressive. Moreover when we consider that a good deal of those are with widebodies. I don't think there is another international city pair in Latin America with this level of traffic!!! (does anybody know the number of weekly GRU-EZE flights? and MEX-IAH flights per week?... I am assuming MEX-IAH is between 60 and 80 weekly).

LVZXV, the long-haul fleet of JJ is indeed all-A332's... I just don't know how many.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4302 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6878 times:

I did mention in a post higher up that EZE-SCL was considered a 'major world route' in a world almanac I saw.

GRU-EZE must be less, but I'm trying to see how many daily and weekly flights there on that route and the EZE-MVD route (including services by United and the like)...



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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6875 times:

EddieDude: LOL!!! "I thought it was self-explanatory" sounds like "I didn't know you were so stupid!" Laugh out loud. Are you surprised about SCL EZE fares? Lan's "Last minute fares" to EZE this week: US$89! and yes, there is a lot of Chileans going to BsAs after Argentine devaluation. Before, Argentina was so expensive for us! About TAM you are right, this is why I said JJ does not fly to SCL. And frequencies? in high season, I've counted up to 20 both narrow and widebodies! even Sky charters to EZE sometimes.

AR385: Vina del Mar uses SCL airport. Since it's located next to the new highway Santiago-Valparaiso/Vina, going from the airport to vina takes 45 mins - 1 hour (@120kms/hr allowed), so it's much easier to use SCL instead of Torquemada (KNA) airport. Torquemada was daily used by Ladeco in the early 90s (BAC111s), which was good for vinamarinos since they made immi controls in Vina and were on transit passengers in SCL for international flights. Now, KNA is used mostly for private aviation. And coming from Mendoza takes about 5 hours. Think that if you come with the family for vacations, is better just drive: flying takes 30 mins to the airport, 2 hours before departure, 50 mins of flight and 20 minutes of immigration... you don't save much time!

Argentina: Are you sure about RG? SCL website still announce it yesterday, but not today. It was grate since sometimes they used MD11s.

TBC: QF will not drop Lan alliance; they will add a 4th frequency this year. Although you are right about QF wanting to resume direct flights to EZE or GRU.

Derico: After a few seasons, Argentines have come back to Vina, specially from Mendoza, and you are right, the road is wonderful. Even this year Argentina won the Festival de Vina and weird thing! all Chileans cheered the guy!!! beautiful song of Heredia, BTW.



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25 Horus : Is there anything news about their proposed South European (Athens), and North African/M.E (Tunis, Cairo and Dubai) destinations?
26 XA744 : When is AR coming back to ACA,CUN or MEX... we miss you pibes ! Regards
27 Derico : Yeah, Arcano, the road should be really good once all the projects are done, and the new Potrerillos might stop Chileans before ever getting to Mendoz
28 LVZXV : Roberta: Not so long ago the British would frequently refer to "Latin America and the Argentine Republic". In all of the continent, we are probably th
29 Derico : I've never was fooled by the 1st world cr!p Menem and many others tried to convince of in 'good times'. I also don't believe Argentina even in her wor
30 Lan_Fanatic : LVZXV, do you really think Argentina is a third world country? I would put it in the second world country along with Chile and Uruguay(perhaps Brazil?
31 Argentina : Arcano, According to SABRE CRS, RG is not flying EZE-SCL anymore. Regarding EZE-GRU here is the present schedule for May 2004: RG (1 daily B763 + 2 da
32 Lima : Hi and what about the charters between EZE and SCL? I know there are sometimes long weekend charters to Buenos Aires from Santiago flown with Sky Airl
33 Pluna757 : Lan_Fanatic, well, i think the only country that could be in the 2nd world is definatly Chile, Arg Bra and Uru are below of chile. Btw, does anybody k
34 LVZXV : Lan Fanatic: Yes, unfortunately some fudge-packer gave a Communist definition to the "2nd World" and no one's bothered to change it yet (more objectiv
35 LVZXV : Pluna757: Don't quote me but I think its 4 all year round. PDP is the one that oscillates. XV
36 Argentina : Pluna 757: EZE-MVD: AR flies EZE-MVD daily ex Sunday with B737, with some flights going on to POA. AEP-MVD: These are the schedules from AEP all using
37 Pdpsol : Hello all, I think the EZE-SCL city pair is VERY well-served and the fares on the route reflect the excellent competition. AEP/EZE-MVD could use some
38 EddieDude : LVZXV, good question. I guess there are 7 weekly flights to CDG and maybe 14 weekly to MIA from GRU plus a couple more to MIA from SSA. I don't recall
39 LVZXV : Still, it seems some of those A332s are a little superfluous. Was JJ undertaking an ambitious growth plan that hasn't fully materialised or something?
40 Pdpsol : LVZXV, No worries, apology accepted. I actually completely agree with you regarding the use of 'Third World' to refer to nations such as Argentina, Ur
41 Derico : Argentina, What about EZE-GRU by ex-Swiss?? I did see them listed at the aa2000 website...[Edited 2004-04-22 22:22:07]
42 Post contains images Arcano : Hello again Thanks you all for those nice words about Chile, but is important to remember, specially for us to remember, that Chile is not a developed
43 Horus : LVZXV, surely if they want to start long-haul flights to ATH, CAI and TUN in 2004, they really need to announce something pretty soon.
44 TBCITDG : With a Superavit of more than $4.1 billion (a historical record), triple the amount that the IMF was anticipating and the economy growing at 10.4% thi
45 EddieDude : I think that, since the collapse of communism, the terms "first world" and "third world" are becoming less and less used. I think now the distinction
46 Lan_Fanatic : We're so off topic, but what the... I think the first,second and third world should be kept but it should be refurbished. I can't understand how count
47 TBCITDG : Maybe something on the middle? Like the meat in a sandwich??
48 LVZXV : Lest we forget what the US and the Western world went through from 1929-35, and 1945-52 (France, Spain, Italy and Greece shared similar experiences to
49 AR385 : To help with the discussion, There are a number of development indicators creted by the UN and OECD.Examples are TV sets per capita, Doctors per capit
50 LVZXV : AR385: Right on! We are all human and all live under the forces of nature. In every society, you have poverty and prosperity, tyranny and liberty, and
51 EddieDude : I agree that Chile is currently the Latin American country closer to being considered a "first world" nation. It is very difficult to determine first
52 TBCITDG : Just off the "off-topic". Is QF the only airlne that has not resumed flights back to EZE??
53 LVZXV : TBCITDG: If this helps, airlines that have suspended/stopped operations to EZE since 2000: AC AM DL JK KL LX MH MX QF SA SU Resumed: AC MH MX SA DL wi
54 Pdpsol : Hey TBCITDG, LX has dropped EZE and only does GRU from ZRH. DL is returning to EZE this November, with its flights from ATL AA is adding daily DFW-EZE
55 EddieDude : Pdpsol, add MX's fifth frequency per week (up from the current 4) to the list of international flights to EZE. I hope I had had more time to mention m
56 Post contains images Arcano : Clearly this is not about Aerolineas de Argentina topic any more... XV: total native chilean population, including mapuches, rapa nui, atacamenos and
57 LVZXV : Arcano: Ya, does your username have anything to do with Araucano by the way? They're a fierce tribe! I remember that mad French "aristocrat" who self-
58 TBCITDG : Arcano: Trust me when I say that I am not the only one in QF that would love to return to EZE. I believe the whole of QF and a whole lot of travel age
59 Derico : About EZE-GRU by SR: Well, obviously you can't trust purely commercial sites that much I guess. They still feature it in their arrival/departure scree
60 Post contains images Arcano : XV: ya!, no, "Arcano" has nothing to do with "araucano" good association though. The mapuche king you talk about was (note such a native title) Oriell
61 LVZXV : Derico: Do you mean the Aeropuertos Argentina 2000 project? If so, they modernised 33 airports nationwide, and I must say, they did a good job, except
62 Usatoeze : In all honesty, ARG is a split country. Go to the northt of Argentina and it is 3rd world (but still has beautiful cities). Go to Buenos Aires, or the
63 LVZXV : Usatoeze: All 8 will apparently be ex-LH -530s, with the first due for delivery next month and the last in December. Can't wait to see them! XV
64 Arcano : Ché XV: No, I do not! but call yourselves "europeans" a little too much, isn't it? But! before you start to defend your off topic idea, I do accept a
65 Post contains images Derico : Arcano: I meant 'fairer' as of lighter complexions. You misunderstood, took a wrong assumption... And you are right USAtoeze, but you're preaching to
66 LVZXV : Arcano: You have to pay "tasas de embarque" in almost every airport in South America, ridiculous though it is. Sometimes I want to murder the people b
67 Derico : I agree XV, they certainly have a better record to show than many private companies, I wish them the best and higher traffic so that they can accelera
68 Post contains links and images LVZXV : Afraid not. The old terminal at EZE looks like it is there to stay, in all its concrete hideousness: View Large View MediumPhoto © BAIRES Aviatio
69 Post contains images Arcano : Ché Derico: you brought me back so many memories! Actually new Pudahuel's International terminal is only 10 years old, and the old one was used till
70 LVZXV : Arcano, boludo: I've been through EZE 3 times in the last 6 months and yes I had to pay taxes; US$18/AR$54. Can't vouch for Colombia, Venezuela or the
71 AR385 : Having flown out of MDZ for years, since I was a baby to now that I am an adult, I don't understand how you can say it was left out. Before the termin
72 LVZXV : You're right, AR385, even BA 744s and CU IL6s have been to MDZ. There is an Argentine website with pictures of strange visitors to MDZ, but I can't re
73 Post contains images Arcano : XV insolente (mas respeto, che): When did I say "I didn't know I have to pay taxes"??? My point was: If I just pay US$28 in LIM and you paid 18 in EZE
74 Derico : About MDZ: I'd have to say I'm outnumbered..............................................................................................
75 Derico : What's kind of amusing about the MDZ-SCL route is that the ascent and descent to cross the Andes takes longer than the actual distance flight... I hav
76 LVZXV : Arcano: "boludo" was used in the same context as "pibe". It is one of the least insolent greetings in Argentina (ché, boludo!). EZE is the most expen
77 AR385 : LVZXV, Nope, I'm not Mendocino. I'm Mexican. My mother is Mendocina.
78 LVZXV : AR385: Shame there are so few airlinks between Argentina and Mexico right now. To think, just a few years ago, you had AM, AR, MJ, MX all linking EZE
79 Post contains images Lan_Fanatic : Perhaps this is the solution to all our problems: But please...please, let the government be ruled by chileans.
80 Post contains images LVZXV : SWEET! Yes, Chileans could run the government, but put the capital in Córdoba.
81 Lan_Fanatic : I was thinking that the capital should be Montevideo...it could be our own Bruxelles
82 SoAmSky : "as the years go by more and more people enter the country from God knows where and do their very best to transform this country into their bankrupt m
83 Pdpsol : Lan_Fanatic, I'm in love with your plan to merge Chile-Argentina-Uruguay into 'la Republica del Cono Sur'; great idea. Turning Montevideo into a Latin
84 Post contains images Arcano : Lan Fanatic: Better Idea, lets put the capital in Antofagasta! can you imagine the reaction of Bolivians? Love your map BTW, but how did we recover th
85 Lan_Fanatic : The other south american countries should do the same (as I showed in the map). Although, the South Cone would rule. LOL
86 Lan_Fanatic : Hey Arcano, the brits can keep the Falklands...who needs sheeps when you've got Moais.
87 Wimpycol : Hello LVZXV I had to pay taxes; US$18/AR$54. Can't vouch for Colombia Yes in Colombia you also must pay taxes USd 28,- or USd 44,- (last year). Depend
88 LVZXV : SoAmSky: You do need to chill out. I have Guaraní and Inca blood too. -Firstly, when Argentina declared independence in 1810, it had a population of
89 SoAmSky : Hi Pdpsol, I've never been to Bolivia nor Paraguay. I've read about those countries problems specially Bolivia; however, Instead of fencing each other
90 Pdpsol : SoAmSky, This is becoming a political and regional policy discussion, nothing to do with civil aviation, but... I know Bolivia very, very well; I live
91 LVZXV : SoAmSky: "...Thanks God the more developed countries looked beyond their own selfishness and helped those lagging behind." I have two words for you: M
92 LVZXV : Pdpsol: A sad but true analysis. Eloquently put. XV
93 Arcano : Actually, I think in some cases we face the same attitude in Chile: "I'll wait and protest till some one come to rescue me". We have some cities with
94 SoAmSky : Hi LVZXV, "I have two words for you: MARSHALL PLAN. The US pumped $$$$$$$$$s into war-ravaged Europe from 1947-52. As for the EU, you cannot call it a
95 LVZXV : Arcano: Bolivia became independent in 1825 (Simón de Bolívar was their first leader), and as far as I know, without siding with Bolivia, they had a
96 Arcano : XV: Antofagasta was founded mostly by Chileans, and it was an agreement that fix the border in parallel 24º (in 1866), after a co-ruling zone between
97 LVZXV : Arcano: WAS like England to Europe, certainly not IS. In 1930, Britain had $404 million (imagine what that converts to)--double the amount in Brazil--
98 Arcano : XV Boludo Yes, I totally get your point. Actually I've always though of your country, and Brazil, as slept giants. But in my humble opinion, I think y
99 AR385 : I wouldn't exactly call ourselves winners. We have a lot of problems such as extrem poverty, extremely bad income distribution, a very weak domestic e
100 Post contains images Usatoeze : Hey all: Just wanted to let everybody know that I really enjoy all of your thoughtful perspectives on LatAm and LatAm aviation. I find these posts to
101 Post contains images LVZXV : Arcano: The difference is this: in Chile, if you aspire to be a politician, you might actually end up doing something good for your country. In Argent
102 ARGinMIA : ??? Usatoeze we are still very few down here... Argentina is the 8th largest country on earth but we are only 38 or something like that millons.. and
103 Post contains images LVZXV : Usatoeze: Nah, who cares about Viedma?! That was a really dumb idea! And make Roberto Lavagna economy minister; the guy's impressive (for now...). And
104 Usatoeze : and we certainly produce WAY much more food than needed for our own consumption. Yes now you do, but if you look at economic figures in the period bet
105 Arcano : AR385: yes, you can call us a Democracy. A very good one indeed, only broke once by Pinochet. We didn't faced coup after coup and president after pres
106 AR385 : Arcano, The reason that in Mexico we don't have Bucarams, Menem's, Fujimori's and the like is that we have strong institutions. They were created when
107 ARGinMIA : Bolivians don't like Chileans, Argentinians Don't like chileans.. How about peruvians? they Don't like chileans.. you guys must do something to fix th
108 LVZXV : Córdoba? Geographic centre of the "RCS", a beautiful climate and Argentina's vibrant intellectual capital. If you made Montevideo so important you wo
109 AR385 : LVZXV, Hey, when do you sleep? and what are you doing in Monaco? You play tennis?
110 Post contains images LVZXV : I'm an insomniac! Monaco? Business trip... I wake up earlier when I'm by the Med. It's 09:45 here. When do YOU sleep Arcano?! It's 03:45 for you! XV
111 Post contains images Lan_Fanatic : May I clarify? The Southern Cone Republic will be formed by Argentina,Chile and Uruguay. Nobody else! We could, hipotetically, invite the southern Bra
112 Post contains links Derico : If Argentina adopted a system like Chile or Uruguay (no federalism), then there would be no more Argentina. There cannot be a Federated (United) Provi
113 Derico : And BTW, The Governor of San Luis is not from Sedna, he was born in a planet orbiting the Sirius Star system.
114 LVZXV : For Chileans: What's you opinion on "La Republica Independiente Magallanes"? I found it very amusing! Are Magellanics crazy or just fiercely independe
115 Post contains images Arcano : XV: I'm immortal, I don't need to sleep! And come on! wake up and see Argentina is and will always be Latin America. What you say is like Arica preten
116 Usatoeze : Hey all: What if eveybody just learned to compromise? Isn't a big structural problem in Latin America the inability of most political parties to effec
117 Post contains links and images LVZXV : http://store3.yimg.com/I/united-states-flag_1788_78305631 Hmmm... The 51st state are we, Arcano? Yeeehaaa! NO TO TEXAN-COPIED FLAGS!!! XV
118 Arcano : Don't even start it!
119 Pdpsol : Guys, It's rare for me to have the opportunity to debate regional politics and history in the Southern Cone so this is truly a fun forum. I definitely
120 Post contains images Lan_Fanatic : About the Republica Independiente de Magallanes...I think it is just a joke. PDPsol, that is why I made Montevideo the candidate for capital city of t
121 Post contains images Pluna757 : Well, actually Montevideo is the capital city of the Mercosur
122 Post contains images SoAmSky : This whole European wannabe blood thought is really a THIRD WORLD mentality. Cheers
123 LVZXV : Looks like the RCS movement is gathering pace!!! One request though, don't copy Bruxelles'-style bureaucracy; that will kill us all! Just teasing Arca
124 Post contains images LVZXV : SoAmSky: Desperate times call for desperate measures! The RCS is a matter of life or death for all the Southern Cone (Uruguay received horrendous afte
125 Argentina : Guys, I never imagined my topic about a couple of new flights would bring all these political and economical ideas out to the world...Not my intention
126 Post contains images Arcano : Hey! I just realized that the initials for the Southern Cone Republic, RCS, is the IATA code for Rochester, UK. XV: you will be finally able to stay t
127 ARGinMIA : The only good thing about it is that you guys will finally have to accept San martin as the hero of your independence !!!
128 Arcano : Who? San Martin you say? Never heard of the guy...
129 LVZXV : Arcano: You see this is the reason why there are no serious plans to unite Chile with Argentina: you Chileans can all of the sudden become just as arr
130 ARGinMIA : LVZXV don't forget Banfield, Temperley, W. C. Morris , Mendville, Wilde, Hudson, LONGCHAMPS, Glew and many other train stations.. lol..
131 Lan_Fanatic : Hey Arcano, be more humble! Here we know that San Martin was almost more important than O'Higgins (but we keep don't recognise it! LOL) Well. Have you
132 Arcano : Come on, relax! I KNOW San Martin was key in out independence, or do you think the "Maipu Embrace" we celebrate so much of O'Higgins was given to his
133 ARGinMIA : Ok.. Chileans will Take care of the government.. BUT We have to teach you guys how to get a middle class.. Cause there you hare somehow lacking.. And
134 Arcano : Chilean social composition (aprox) Povertry: 9% Reach: 6% Middle Class: 85% ...don't tell us about middle class, and I suppose our poors live in bette
135 Post contains images PU151 : LOL. Talk about off-topic... anyway, I dunno about this RCS. I mean, there are extremely serious issues that must be taken care of. Imagine deciding w
136 Lan_Fanatic : Hey! Why shutting down the Universidad de Chile??? I don't remember when, though it was this year, a report appeared in "El Mercurio" that showed Univ
137 Post contains images LVZXV : The national soccer and tennis teams must be ARGENTINE!!! Tell you what, the airline can be run by LAN, sure, but stewardesses of all 3 countries must
138 Arcano : Top 7 in the ranking of badly managed! LOL, all right, let's keep it running, but the only successful university with top facilities and vanguard rema
139 Post contains images SoAmSky : Hi guys, Few suggestions: RCS should be call BRCS: "Banana Republic of the South Cone) Here is your flag: The capital which you all agreed should be M
140 LVZXV : By the way, read some blurb this morning in LANACIONLINE that AdS is starting operations in "June" with "7 aircraft". You see why I don't trust Mata?
141 Lan_Fanatic : More ideas flowing! Divide the Republic in 7 macroregions or states: 1.Northwest: formed by the present chilean regions of Tarapacá, Antofagasta and
142 LVZXV : SoAmSky: If you don't mind me asking a clichéd Argentine question, ¿de donde sos? Sorry, that is written in my 2nd language. Let me phrase it better
143 Lan_Fanatic : Hey SoAmSky, if something identifies this newly born republic is that it is not a Banana republic. Valparaíso and Buenos Aires can be also our Rotter
144 Post contains images LVZXV : Actually not such a bad idea, Arcano! That way you have 5 major ports! In line with SoAmSky's fruity modification to the flag, why not base the govern
145 LVZXV : Ooops!!! I meant Lan Fanatic! XV
146 Lan_Fanatic : Hey, we need an Orlando. Afterall, we're going to be a superpower, so we need a place where we can spend a week spending all our money, without leavin
147 Arcano : Orlando? Iquique is perfect mix of desert Las Vegas and artificial entertaining of MCO. You have also good climate all year long. Or even better Arica
148 LVZXV : A few more: Catamarca: Andalucía La Rioja: Damascus & Syria Córdoba: Tuscany Rosario: something Spanish! Tucumán: Athens Alto Gracia: Sevilla Rawso
149 Lan_Fanatic : By the way, my fellow "nation-creators"...don't you think we should look for a better name for our new country? RCS sounds quite cold. We should launc
150 Arcano : I think we should call it "Arcania", after me.
151 Post contains images LVZXV : América Austral. Citizens would be Australian-Americans! Las Trés Marías. The constellation passes right overhead! Unión Europea Austral. An assoc
152 Arcano : And more cities: La Serena: Miami (perfect for retired grandpa's) San Pedro de Atacama: Marrakesh Puerto Varas: Colonia Concepcion: Berlin Bahia Ingle
153 LVZXV : Arcano: I think not! XV
154 Lan_Fanatic : LAS TRES MARÍAS?????!!! YIKES! that sounds like a cheap argentine soap opera
155 LVZXV : Chiloé: Ireland Other suggestions: Aruchi/Arguchi Charguay/Charuguay Tinachu UCA XV
156 LVZXV : All of the above are completely meaningless by the way! Lan Fanatic: How about Orion then? After all, Santiago, BA and Montevideo are at virtually the
157 Arcano : Orion? so inspired! de cuál fumaste??? Wasn't Aruchi the last name of Quino's Susanita? Charguay rules... or Monsanbue perhaps
158 Lan_Fanatic : Sounds evil....the Buenos Aires-Montevideo-Santiago Axis sounds like the Berlin-Rome-Tokyo....
159 LVZXV : Lots of things you can do with the capitals: Sanbuemon Monbuesan Buemonsan Buentivideo Montinos Aires Santividaires Monbuenago Sanbuenideo Buenviago B
160 Arcano : Of course I could be wrong, but I understand the original name of the City was "Santisima Trinidad", and the name of the harbour was "Buenos Aires", a
161 Lan_Fanatic : I think "Montevideo" is the weirdest name of all....VIDEO...why?
162 ARGinMIA : I don't think Montevideo should be renamed Mount Video.. i think we just need to modernize its name.. make it MonteDVD. BTW the capital of the 6. Sout
163 Lan_Fanatic : Well I put Viedma because I thought it was the largest city around, but we can change it freely. Bariloche? I don't think so, I think it should keep i
164 ARGinMIA : Bariloche has arround 125.000 People living in it.. while Viedma must be arround 50k (con suerte)...
165 LVZXV : Arcano: The first settlement at Buenos Aires, which only lasted from 1536-41, was called Santa María del Buen Ayre (hence BA was spelt Buenos Ayres f
166 LVZXV : BTW, look what you'd get if you merged AR, LA and PU: A310-300: 1(1) A319-100: 2 A320-200: 20 A340-200: 4(1) A340-300X: 4(2) A340-600: (6) ATR-42-200:
167 Aer : Hey Arcano, to answer your question, Guatemala comes from the Nahuatl language. When the Spanish got there with some Mexican Indians, they asked the l
168 AR385 : You are a bunch of ignorants! (kidding) , The name "Mexico" comes from the real name of the Aztecs, when they were a tribe and arrived in what is now
169 EddieDude : Maybe our friends form the south of the continent west of the Andes really, really like chile (pun intended).
170 LVZXV : AR385: LOL!!! Chile actually means "place where the land ends". Not a bad translation either. Less than 50 miles out to sea, Chile's continental shelf
171 AR385 : EddieDude, I know what you are joking about, don't be mean now!
172 LVZXV : Am I missing something??? XV
173 EddieDude : You are right. They do not. Otherwise, Chilean girls would have left the country ages ago.
174 AR385 : LVZXV, Yep, you are missing something. I'll keep you in the dark. Maybe EddiDude will do the honors and explain to you.
175 JoseMEX : >Maybe our friends form the south of the continent west of the Andes really, really like chile
176 LVZXV : EddieDude? Quick! Tell me before Arcano and Lan Fanatic get back! XV
177 Post contains images JoseMEX : LVZXV, >Quick! Tell me before Arcano and Lan Fanatic get back!
178 EddieDude : Hahahaha. It's very stupid actually XV. It's just that in Mexican dirty talk, a pepper (un chile) is synonymous with a body part exclusive to the male
179 Post contains images LVZXV : LOL!!! GOOD ONE!!! Perfect joke to tell an Argie! But yes, as AR385 said, don't be mean to Chileans. Chilenas are also known for their "Cleopatran gri
180 Post contains images Lan_Fanatic : Ahhhh.....mexicans joking with an argie...just what we needed! As they say in another thread here in A.Net... FLOOD MEXICO
181 Arcano : Chile actually means "place where the land ends" Where did you get that from!!!??? There are 2 theories about the origin of the word "Chile", although
182 LVZXV : Lan & Arcano: What do you think of the new fleet? (Reply 166) Cleopatran grip is exclusive to ChilenAs, I'll remind you... XV P.S. As for the millions
183 Lan_Fanatic : I think we should keep LA and AR separated...PU should be divided in equal parts and sold to LA and AR. Then, we should sit, relax and watch how LAN w
184 Post contains images LVZXV : Lan: How do you propose to divide "equally" PU? It operates everything in odd numbers! Merge the 3 carriers or merge none! But I say keep SKY, Souther
185 Lan_Fanatic : Ok, let's merge the 3 carriers. But we should focus in the hubs: EZE: Domestic, South American(focused in Paraguay and Brazil), Europe and Africa (we
186 EddieDude : So, Lan_Fanatic. Out of which hub would the flights to MEX, CUN, SDQ, HAV and PTY depart?
187 LVZXV : The hubs are ok, but at the end of the day, money-making routes must remain exactly as they are, especially EZE-AKL-SYD (many prefer AR direct to via
188 LVZXV : EddieDude: EZE, of course, as they once did... XV
189 Arcano : Italian pretending german? good one! And totally agree wit XV, lets merge the airlines under Lan umbrella. Eddie Dude: The Caribbean can be connected
190 EddieDude : Well, I think there should be flights to MEX and to CUN both from SCL and from EZE.
191 Post contains images SoAmSky : Hi guys, I thought Uruguay and Paraguay were Mexican names... Don't Mexican say, How're u doing guey??
192 Post contains images PU151 : SoAmSky, that was suuuuuch a lame joke, and I'm not being nationalistic, I love Mexicans. . Lan-Fanatic: No way! We wanna keep PU's livery! OK, I admi
193 Arcano : Pu151: And would be OK if we fund the "Former Uruguayan Republic Museum of 732s"? I know in Chile they are like an institution also, but I'm sure no o
194 Post contains images PU151 : OK Arcano, go for that, those 732s would look great parked side-by-side with the Vickers at MVD. Hell, we could even move the C-47s that are on displa
195 Post contains images LVZXV : Arcano: I'm a believer in squeezing the maximum life out of everything. Sure, ditch the '70s-build 732s, but keep the '80s-build ones till 2010. The a
196 Post contains images LVZXV : PU151: You're right, I can so easily envisage that mass suicide! Or a bloodbath. Or a mutiny. Or slit vains. I don't know, but something unpleasant wh
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