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User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 728 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1528 times:

How come this route still hasn't been established by Delta? Couldn't it support a 738/757 or even a MD90? I think it would be another alternative to the West besides connecting through Dallas or flying North and a little out of the way to Atl first (Sea/PDX/ANC/SFO). Anyone else have any thought's on this route? Seeing how big DL's presence at FLL is i've always wondered why this route never came about.

From FLL DL serves the following

ATL- 11x Daily 763/764 and 1x Daily w/ a 738
CVG- 3X Daily M80/CRJ and 4X on Saturday)
DFW- 2X Daily 738/M88
LGA- 4x Daily on Song
EWR- 1X Daily on Song for a lil longer
JFK- 4X Daily on Song
BOS- 3X Daily on Song
DL / KBDL), USA - Connecticut">BDL- 2X Daily on Song
LAX- 5X a week on Song
LAS- 5X a week on Song
MCO- 4X Daily on Delta Connection
TLH- 3X Daily on Delta Connection
BNA- 1X Daily on Delta Connection
RDU- 2X Daily on Delta Connection
CMH- 2X Daily on Delta Connection
DCA- 1X Daily on Comair


Around 45 flights a day.

NJdevils


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User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

" Couldn't it support a 738/757 or even a MD90 "

Definitely.

Why they havent established it, i have no idea. Right now, they fly the MCO-SLC sector 4x Daily ( 2x 738's, 1x 757 1x 767-300 ). The routes appear to be at least 90-95% loaded both ways.

Its possible that they want MCO's small RJ market to maintain profitability within florida. They have 4x daily MCO-FLL, and which, establishing more nonstop routes out of FLL, There would be less passengers on the ATL-SLC flights, and also the MCO-SLC.

Its probable that a lot of people fly the FLL-MCO route, and connect out of MCO to the markets that FLL doesnt serve nonstop. As i said above, maybe establishing more FLL nonstops will make the RJ market less profitable throughout florida on the small short hop routes.

If they did establish the FLL-SLC though, im quite sure it'd be profitable like the MCO flights.



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User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

I mean i've been wondering this for years now back when i believe the MCO-SLC routes were all 763 and FLL still didn't even get a 757 to SLC. Not sure if this route would be low yield cause the outbound FLL-SLC would mostly likely be sending travelers to business markets (w/ exception of LAS). Even a seasonal Winter fligt for the ski season would probably be very profitable.

MAH...any comments? i know your good with the South Fla stuff?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

It has been a question I have been wondering for a while too. I am sure Delta has a logical answer as to why they don't serve Salt Lake City from South Florida, but I do believe it could work, if not year-round, than definitley in the winter, as South Florida ski traffic is huge (MIA has non-stops to Vail/Eagle on AA every winter, and they fill on pure O&D). A 738 would be perfect for the route, and I don't think Delta would have trouble filling one daily each from Miami and Ft. Lauderdale. Salt Lake City is the only cartel hub that MIA has no non-stop service to, and one of only two that FLL has no non-stops to (the other being SFO).

Too add, Delta is the second largest carrier in South Florida, with only American Airlines having a larger FF base.

With regards to yield, I could see this being a potential problem in the summer, but I don't imagine this being a problem at all in the winter, especially with ski traffic. IMO, Ft. Lauderdale/Miami is definitley the biggest hole in Delta's domestic network out of Salt Lake City.



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User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

If someone wanted to fly delta to the following destinations they would have to stop twice from fll/mia in either atl or dfw and then slc because dfw and atl dont serve certain destinations out west:

Vancouver
Jackson Hole
Calgary
Boise
Helena
Rapid City
Great Falls
Idaho Falls
Kalispell
Missoula
Pocatello
Sun Valley
Spokane
and a few others....I know they are small but its a good 20 cities or so in total that cant be reached without two connections in which some airlines you can fly and only make one connection to most of these destinations.






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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

Hey Sean,

Are you still talking about with new service from FLL-SLC and did not begin new service either and how is those load factors was doing out of FLL-ATL-SLC with the connecting of their flights.


User currently offlineTbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

I'm sorry - Logic? Delta? Is that an oxymoron?

User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1331 times:

I know they used to have 1 stops...

in all honesty, i have pondering this for a while, too...I would have thought MIA would have a 738 at least! Also, why donesn't DL fly MIA-DFW...AA competition?

But I would use FLL-SLC if i had to go the west coast!


User currently offlineHighflyer16 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1306 times:

Hello guys. I checked on managementreporting.com, the info is a little out of date but just before 9/11, average daily passenger traffic was:

MIA-SLC: 83 pax per day
FLL-SLC: 136 pax per day

Of course that is the demand at cartel rates since their were no competitive carriers in the market at that time.

Obviously not enough demand to justify a non-stop either way.

However, if WN were to take on the route I am willing to bet they'd be pulling full loads on a couple flights per day.

By the way, if you want this type of info on every air route in the United States, it is on this same website:
http://codes.managementreporting.com
Enjoy!


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1223 times:

How you know about all of those information come from? Is that for the load factor on their way to SLC. I'll will check those out with their website and talk ya later!

Regards!


User currently offlineBubbinski From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1191 times:

I was surprised when I saw that Delta didn't have a nonstop flight to Miami. It would be nice to have, although personally I'd go for the DL Flt 1543/231 nonstop r/t to Orlando as I've enjoyed two visits to Central Florida and the Space Coast. They use the 738 on that route, sounds like the logical bird for a MIA/FLL route too.

I checked the site someone linked - too bad it didn't give demand info for international routes, I'd love to see the demand calculations for SLC to, say, London or Paris.

Bubbinski



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

Oh well!! Maybe will able do that in the future and which one will able begin nonstop from FLL/MIA-SLC anytime in the future. I knew about all of those Delta flight did not runs to SLC either.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

MIA-SLC: 83 pax per day
FLL-SLC: 136 pax per day

Of course that is the demand at cartel rates since their were no competitive carriers in the market at that time.

Obviously not enough demand to justify a non-stop either way.


Those numbers mean nothing when you consider Salt Lake City is a large hub for Delta. The need for O&D is minimal, and it's a pretty standard fact that non-stop service on a route increases O&D demand, though by how much varies. Daily 738 on MIA-SLC or FLL-SLC would fill (profitably or not, I have no idea) daily, no problem.



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User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1074 times:

Is there a particular website to get load factors for certain routes?


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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1042 times:

Yes, it is for the load factor from MIA/FLL-SLC and it is doing pretty good for the passengers and maybe if DL will chance begin new service to SLC.

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