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Tu-144 In Scheduled Service?  
User currently offlineCanberra From Denmark, joined Apr 2004, 310 posts, RR: 4
Posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3129 times:

Anyone know if the Tu-144 ever entered scheduled service. If yes to what destinations?

Anyone know if it got a NATO name? Also maybe a factory name?

/Michael


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User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

The Tu-144 operated regular PAX services for Aeroflot on the Moscow - Alma Ata route from November 1977 to June 1978.

The flights were stopped after a Tu-144 empty from PAX supposedly crashed in May 1978.


User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

NATO codenamed the Tu-144 as 'Charger'.

And yes, there was a bad gear-up landing on 23 May 1978 following the fracture of a fuel-pipe on a test flight. The crash-landing killed two engineers and this accident directly led to the withdrawal from passenger service.

[Edited 2004-04-22 11:31:47]

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8092 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3069 times:

Yep the crash (can't remember where) was after an inflight fire.

The Alma Ata service indeed ended after less than a year but I think there were a few other spurts of service because I think Aeroflot didn't officially pull the aircraft until 1984.



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User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Before operating PAX services, Aeroflot used the Tu-144 to carry mail (!) on the same route Moscow-Alma Ata, from December 1975 but just a few flights were actually operated.

A freight only service restarted with the Tu-144, still on the same route in 1979 but it didn't last very long...

It is said that a total of around 100 flights only were operated during this period Dec.75 / Dec.79 (Mail + PAX + Freight services).


User currently offlineCanberra From Denmark, joined Apr 2004, 310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

Thanks, all

Would have love to be on one of these flights, not the one that crashed though!



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2928 times:

Hmm, I thought it was 100 passenger flights? I recall one Swedish reporter flew on it and said it was "noisy"...


User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

I know somebody who has been Aeroflot pilot back in the days. He says his friend was a pilot on a Tu-144. According to that guy, he was always sweating in flight because as fuel burned, fuel tanks were filling with nitrogen. The pilots couldn't wait to land.

That makes one wonder what the passengers would think if they knew this little detail...

Leo.



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4489 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Levg79,

I wonder why...nitrogen is an inert gas...



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User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

JBirdAV8r,

I'm not sure, just what I've been told.....

According to the same pilot, today Kazakhstan airlines operate a fleet of B767s consisting of a three-person crew.....go figure



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17026 posts, RR: 67
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Filling the fuel tanks with nitrogen would decrease the risk of a fire quite significantly, so no harm done there.

About the noise, I have also heard this. As in so noisy you have to wear ear protection or go crazy.



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User currently offlineWn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

Levg79,

There are indeed very few 767s with three position flight crews. I don't know how many were made (I know it was fewer than ten though), or where they are today. I think it had something to do with offering airlines the option of that for the sake of appeasing unions or something.


User currently offlineOV735 From Estonia, joined Jan 2004, 909 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2654 times:

As the Soviets tried to rush with the Tu-144 construction a lot [the first flight was made on Dec 31st 1968 with the goal to have an earlier first flight year than Concorde (1969)]. That probably led to relatively immature design and therefore it didn't last as long as the Anglo-French counterpart.

As and interesting side note - as I've heard, the supersonic ticket from Moscow to Almatõ cost around 100 rubles. For a comparison: a ticket from Tallinn to Moscow (less than 1000 km) was around 25 rubles at the time.

Regards,
OV735


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17026 posts, RR: 67
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

Air New Zealand had 3 person crews on their 767s, as did Aeroflot. ANZ was for union reasons. Aeroflot was because then current Russian law forbade flying without a flight engineer.


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User currently offlineFoxbravo03 From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2596 times:
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Hello,
What's the story with the TU-144LL,that the Russians and Americans were using a few years ago for test flights?
I know that these tests are complete,but is the aircraft kept in an airworthy condition,or does anyone know if it has flown at all recently?
It was great to see it back in the air,when they resurrected it.
Regards,
foxbravo03.


User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

The TU-144LL is stored outside at Zhukovsky airbase south of Moscow. You can see it at the MAKS air show with another TU-144 wearing Soviet titles, and pieces of others. It is not an exhibit and appears to be simply left to rot. I think they tried to find a buyer, but wanted to sell it without engines. Probably it could fly again..... also, about the pricing, I have a friend who once flew on Aeroflot in the 1980's to 4 of the central asian republics and back to Moscow for the equivalent of $6.

User currently offlineOV735 From Estonia, joined Jan 2004, 909 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2525 times:

Afay1,

Yes, air travel was indeed extremely cheap in the Soviet Union. Almost like Ryanair Big grin

Anyway, about the engines on the Tu-144LL. I read an article in Tehnikamaailm (a tech magazine in Estonia and Finland) a while back about these test flights. If memory serves me correct, around 20 test flights were commenced.

But the trick was, when they tried to find a suitable aircraft, they could easily find such airframe but gathering four working engines was a real challenge. I can't remember how they solved the problem, but I'll try to look up the magazine later and share.

Regards,
OV735


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17026 posts, RR: 67
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

The Tu-144L had engines from the Tu-160.


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User currently offlineOV735 From Estonia, joined Jan 2004, 909 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

Went through my closet but didn't find the correct edition. Anyway, it might indeed have been that the engines were taken from the Tu-160 bomber.

OV735


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Starlionblue - Air New Zealand did not have a F/E position on their 767s. Ansett however did on their 767-200s, as the Union demanded this be put in place. However, I believe that by the time the aircraft were delivered, or very soon after, the folly of this was realised, and the aircraft flew with 2 crew for most of their life...

V/F



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User currently offlineDAirbus From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2229 times:
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I remember seeing pictures of the F/E panel on the Ansett 767's in a magazine a while ago. They basically took the overhead panel and installed it on what is the maintenance panel behind the F/O. I assume he would handle the part of the checklist dealing with the upper panel but otherwise he had little to do once it was configured and the aircraft was in flight.


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User currently offlineJETSTAR From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1645 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2154 times:
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The last TU-144 built, tail number 77114 did fly again not to long ago for some supersonic research projects partially funded by NASA.

It flew from 1996 to 1999 in Russia and this aircraft was modified to use engines from the Russian supersonicTU-160 Blackjack bomber and was known as a TU-144LL


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