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Tower Air In Bangor, Maine  
User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 994 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Hello everyone!

It seems that FF used BGR as a refueling stop on all its Trans-Atlantic flights. Everyone I know who flew on FF from either SVO or TLV had to make fuel stops at BGR. Why is it?

I remember reading somewhere in other forums that they did so because fuel in BGR was cheaper than at JFK. But if they filled up their tanks, would a fully loaded B747 be able to land about an hour later without dumping it?

Also, those trans-Atlantic flights bound for JFK were always considered "non-stop", but always stopped at BGR for fuel. Was it an accident everytime that fuel ran out so quick? Or did FF did it intentionally?

I'm just trying to make some sense out of it, hopefully somebody can help.

Leo.

[Edited 2004-04-22 19:30:28]


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User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Well many Fe 747s were 747-100s that (afaik) can't make it SVO/TLV-JFK nonstop. But if they were the 747-200s, there's a different issue there.

User currently offlineLY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 857 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

They certainly made it sound like an accident when I had to stop there....like "oh, we've got really strong headwinds and have to stop in Bangor."


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User currently offlineCO2BGR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

I am from BGR, But was not old enough to remember specifics about the Tower Air opperations here, but I will give some background on the situation here.

Back in the late 80s early 90s BGR was a very popular stopping point for many airlines. The IAB was always busy and I remember seeing Tower Air planes there very frequently. Jet-A was on the cheap side, the fuel farm is VREY large with the air guard opperation. Landing fees were also much lower than other place in the north east. Pan Am had several trans atlantic flights stop in BGR for range issues to other destinations. One could buy a ticket BGR-LHR nonstop. BGR was also a popular place for charters between Europe and Florida and Mexico to stop, and clear customs, as immigrtion fees are also low here.

As for Tower, they probably scheduled flights through BGR, and BSed there paxs to what was going on, considering the shady opperation they had going and all.

Contact me if you have further questions, I will try my best to help.



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User currently offlineCapitol8s From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 100 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2584 times:
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Alot of these tech stops also CLEARED US CUSTOMS which made the departure out of BGR easier on the downline arrival station. Once the a/c departed BGR for points within the US were considered a domestic flight.




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User currently offlineTwalives From United States of America, joined May 2001, 175 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

I was on a Tower Air TLV-JFK that made an "unscheduled stop" at BGR for fuel. We were onboard a 747-200. The annoucement of our stop was made about 3 hours prior to expected touchdown at JFK. I cannot confirm that the refueling was done intentionally, however, I do know that Tower Air did this ALL the time.

User currently offlineCO2BGR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

Yes customs fees at JFK are insanely high, to avoid it...stop in BGR.

A 747-200 has plenty of range to go TLV-JFK...only 5000 miles or so...Tower BSed the stop in BGR to save money...The stops were not in the schedules but were planned.

Too bad BGR does not get this kind of traffic any more, just RJs and KC135s...gets boring after a while.



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User currently offlineUltrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2436 times:
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TWA flew TLV-JFK-They had both 747-100's and a few 200's. During the heat of the summer with full loads both planes regularly made fuel stops-even though not on the schedule-sometimes in CDG or MAD where they had stations.

Just before they got rid of the 747's and switched to 767-300's the actually scheduled a technically stop at SNN.

It hard for me to believe that it would be less expensive for a fully loaded 747 to make an extra stop with an extra landing fee and at least an extra hour of flight time climbing and descending than to go ns-so its surprising to me that Tower made the stops in Bangor if it did not have to-

How does Bangor airport work-How can they have enough people on staff to fee and refuel a plane when they don't know if they will have traffic or not-what do they charge to stop-



User currently offlineCO2BGR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

Back then BGR had full time customs and immigration shaff...Frequently all4 gates in the IAB would be full...The fulltime staff is gone now...no demand. BGR had little traffic...No arrival holds or departure queues. The extention of flight time would be very minimal, say 20 minutes. Flight crews are paid by the flight hour...not much more expense there. Also fuel use is much less at arrival and taxi than cruise.

Maybe Tower is no longer with us because of the BGR fuel stops...Who knows?



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