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Future A340-300 Orders  
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5745 times:

The 340-300, while clearly not the most spectacular performer in terms of exciting takeoffs (not a major consideration to any airline I've talked to..), is still very cost competitive in the 'long-thin' arena.

While I suspect there will be some follow on orders from some legacy carriers--does anyone see any other carriers ordering the aircraft--particularly since the recent enhancements have made it even more competitive?

Intelligent replies appreciated.

Brgds.

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User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5626 times:

If Swiss is improving I could see more A-340-300 for them, but not in the near future.

User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5581 times:

If US somehow pulls through, I can see them eventually adding a few A340s for service to NRT and TLV.



User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5544 times:

I see the following airlines possibly making further or initial 343 orders (whether E or not): Lan Chile, AR, Aeromexico, South African, China Eastern, Air-India, Iberia, Aeroflot, Sri Lankan, China Eastern, China Airlines, BMI, Aer Lingus, US Airways.

The 343/343E still makes a good smaller running mate for the 345/346. Also, Airbus could offer some older 343 customers roll-over offers with new 343E fleets.

With Aeroflot recently ordering the 32X, I see them as an option for the 343. I also see BMI & Aer Lingus as 343 customers as they entertain routes longer than their 332's can serve.

Similarly, if US survives, a long term route option for them would be PHL-NRT for which the 343E could be added.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineJetboy80 From Norway, joined Apr 2004, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5503 times:

SAS could order some more for the West coast US ore the Asia flights.
It would be the 340-300 ore the 330-300, but I am not sure about the range for this A/C.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5430 times:

As Aeroflot is divesting of all western aircraft larger than the 772, I rather doubt A343s are in their interest.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

As Aeroflot is divesting of all western aircraft larger than the 772, I rather doubt A343s are in their interest.

I understood they were returning their 772's to focus on the 763 fleet. I just thought that with the recent 32X order it opens the door for a 343 order. I agree it may not be likely.








Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5339 times:

YYZ717, recently Airbus regional sales manager for Mexico and Central America was interviewed by a major business newspaper from Mexico City and he admitted that he had failed in trying to convince AM to replace its 762ER's with widebodies from Airbus. AM, on the other hand, does not deny its closeness to Boeing... I think you can trace that relationship back to the Douglas days. There was a time when AM had an all-(Mad) Dog fleet: DC-9's, MD-8x's and DC-10's. Before then, AM also had DC-8's. As you know, the DC-10's were replaced with 767ER's and now AM is in the process of replacing its few DC-9's left and its large MD-8x fleet with 73W's (and probably some 738's too). The only non-Boeing planes in AM's fleet are the EMB145's used by AeroLitoral (the regional carrier) but one could say it is a different airline. Finally, although AM is not in a financial position to get more widebodies at this point, the rumor that it will get 772ER's for its European routes as soon as possible is becoming stronger every day. In the meantime, in order to add frequencies to MAd and South America, AM is replacing the 752's whose leases are expiring with more 762ER's. I hope that we can see the first 772ER's arrive before the summer 2005 season.

MX, on the other hand, is becoming more of an Airbus operator. Long gone are the days when MX had an all-Boeing fleet (all-727 to be accurate). Now, with the exception of a number of 752's, its narrowbody fleet is mainly Airbus (A319's and A320's) and the F100's are going to be replaced by new A318's this year. There are rumors that MX will start new long haul routes soon (to Europe) and that it has decided that it will get A332's for that endeavor (the ex-SK 763ER that they are leasing and that is flown to EZE is just an "experiment" and, therefore, interim). Today, however, an even more surprising rumor was posted here in a.net saying that MX is studying the possibility of flying to Asia instead of Europe and that it is talking to Airbus in that regard. Since MEx is hot and high and some flights leaving from MEx are cargo-restricted, A340's might be a good choice if MX is serious about Asia. I don't know if the A343E would be able to do, for example, MEx-PVG, MEx-NRT or MEx-HKG non-stop, but the A345 would definitely do it. Take this rumor with a grain of salt but think of how amazing it would be to see an A340 in MX livery.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5274 times:

Thanks for the low down on AM & MX EddieDude!  Smile

I only mentioned AM since I knew their 762ER fleet was aging. Sounds like they will indeed add the 772 then!




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineMark777300 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5262 times:

It's kind of hard to determine who will order more A340-300's, but with the 300E now available with a slightly improved range and a -500 like flight deck, It should find buyers. The following airlines might be contenders for more A340-300'S:

Emirates
Lan Chile
China Airlines
Cathay Pacific

and although I'm not so sure about this, but Air India has yet to make a decision on their long haul fleet renewal. But like I said before, it's hard to tell with the current market conditions as well as having the -500 and -600 models available.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5250 times:

Yeah, it is aging indeed. An a.net member from Venezuela recently posted a horror story about a flight from SCL to MEx on a 762ER from AM. Apparently the air-con was not working properly. I have been on at least two different 762ER's and the 763ER from AM and all my flights were pleasant; I found the planes to be in good shape but they are surely getting old and failures like this air-con incident might start happening more often than desired.

I guess tomorrow we will see lots of posts in the "MX in Europe" thread inquiring as to the grounds of the MX to Asia rumor. Hopefully this is serious and not just cheap talk because then an A340 might be closer than ever for MX. I need to see the range ratings of the A343E and the A345 (and ask an expert) because I don't know if the A343E can do a MEx-Asia non-stop.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5351 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5157 times:

LAN certainly I think could do with some more long haul aircraft soon and I guess with the 343 already in the fleet, these would be the most logical choice unless they want some more range with 345's or 346's.

Maybe China Airlines might pick up a few more!

Personally though I think the 343 will see very few orders myself!

Cathay will be returning some starting next year and EK's are ex SQ and are just a stop gap although they will be with EK for 8-9 years I believe!


User currently offlineUsair330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 827 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5080 times:

The chances of US getting an A340 to start service to NRT is slim to none... US codeshares with United so there's really no point of them doing it. Although it would be nice to see an A340 (500 or 600) in those colors Big grin!

User currently offlineAsianguy767 From Singapore, joined Oct 2003, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

I thought that Airbus was no longer going to produce the A340-200 n -300 in favour of concentrating on the -500 n -600?

User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4936 times:

Airbus now procuce the A340-300e (a recent enhancment sold to SAA) the A340-500, which is really only a ULR plane and the A340-600. The A343e is still a competitive plane, i dont see too many orders though as the market for 772/343 sized planes is becoming fairly saturated and most airlines would prefer the 333 over the A343e.

The A343e weighs 41 tonnes less than an A345 so it is still an important plane. The A345 only really has the advantage on ULR routes, high cargo range and hot and high airports, so if these factors arent an issue the A343e is the preffered choice.

Some airlines who already own the A343 will order a few more but as far as new customers go, possibly;

MX
NZ
QF
AI
NW

I guess anyone who operates the A330, doesnt own 777's and needs the range may consider it





User currently offlineBluethunder From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

Mark777300:

I dont think EK will order any more new 343s. The 343s they got were Ex SQs which were ment to be a temporary solution till they got delivery of the 346s and the 773ERs.
I remember someone else on this forumn saying that once the new a/c arrive they will move some of the 343s to Srilankan.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4390 times:

By any chance does anybody recall the name of the thread that discussed the delivery of the A343E's to SA? I am looking for more info on the E's capabilities (range, payload, etc.) and I recall that there were some postings there thad dealt with the specs of the airplane. I was unable to find the thread using the search function.

Thanks.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

This site has a bit of info

http://airtransportbiz.free.fr/Aircraft/A340-300E.html


User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

YYZ717:

I doubt AR will acquire any A343s. For some reason, the company never received the 2 that were due back in 2000 (F-OHPL, OHPM). AR has flown 4 A342s since 1999, and has a 5th scheduled for delivery this (southern) winter. As more 744s are coming in and the A346 order is apparently still on, I don't see why AR would order A343s, since they're clearly happy with the performance of the A342.

XV



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User currently offlineAF-A319 From France, joined Oct 1999, 603 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

Air Tahiti Nui is also supposed to get a 5th A343-300 in June 2005 to start services to SYD and NYC.

User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

I doubt very much CI will order more A340-300. They have range issues with the standard 300 flying non-stop Taipei-JFK.
They do have a standing order with Airbus for 10 A330-300.



747SP
User currently offlineFido73 From Finland, joined Dec 2003, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4081 times:

Finnair is getting rid of its MD11 in 5-6 years time and it already operates a fleet of A32S-types, so A343E is a strong contender to replace the trimotors. But the 7E7 will also be available by that time so Boeing will most probably offer that, as it will also have enough range to do HEL-BKK fully loaded. A346 could be a possibility also but it is far too big for HEL-JFK during the thin winter months. I expect a good old price war between Boeing and Airbus.


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User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10763 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

As someone stated already, the A343/B772 market is becoming highly saturated now and I doubt we´ll the large order hausse these types had over the last 5 years. These aircraft were aimed at replacing DC-10s and L-1011s (as well as MD-11s now and, to a lesser degree, 747 Classics and 767s). That is done now. Most orders that will come in over the next years will just be about enlarging fleets.

I wonder what LH will do with the A340-311s they have since 1993. Most A343s are of enhanced -313X standard.


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3838 times:

I guess LH will keep their A340-311 for some more years. They don't need the -313X's range for most of their A340 Classic routes.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4800 posts, RR: 44
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3824 times:

The only future big A 343 order is for 18 aircraft (10 firm 8 options) by AIR INDIA. They have approved it but the Indian Govt still as usual hasnt so theyre gonna try and lease the aircraft to speed up the process...thats the latest Ive heard from that part of the world.

25 B747-437B : theyre gonna try and lease the aircraft to speed up the process... Curious where you heard this from? My usually very well placed sources say that the
26 Mrniji : The only future big A 343 order is for 18 aircraft (10 firm 8 options) by AIR INDIA. Yes, I expect this to happen too, but only to add some confusion.
27 Post contains images Solnabo : Why not make it like the 340-8000, then the 343X has range for 8000 miles, but I guess it would be the end for A340-500 (8500 m) Just my 50 öre Micha
28 ConcordeBoy : Why not make it like the 340-8000, then the 343X has range for 8000 miles, but I guess it would be the end for A340-500 (8500 m) Lotta things wrong wi
29 Adria : "The A342 is no longer new built"...........yes it is
30 Post contains images Solnabo : Well, hello "Mr know-it-all" Michael//SE
31 ConcordeBoy : Actually, no it's not At present, the only way to acquire and A342 from Airbus is via their asset management program, who'd more than likely attempt t
32 AirxLiban : isn't one of the jordanian royal family A340's an A340-8000?
33 Greg : Yes, but the modifications to make it a -8000 were not performed on the factory floor....they were handled at a mod center after the Aircraft was buil
34 Roberta : why would anyone want an A342, they weigh the same as an A343
35 FLYtoEGCC : "why would anyone want an A342, they weigh the same as an A343" Not strictly true. Empty weights: A340-200 : 278,900lb A340-300 : 288,100lb MTOW is th
36 DfwRevolution : Isn't Aer Lingus looking at new longhaul aircraft for asian routes? I did some research and an A340 would be have some difficulty landing/taking off a
37 LVZXV : Roberta: The A342 is longer range, capable of EZE-AKL and EZE-FCO for example. In AR's case, it suits them. XV
38 AirxLiban : Isn't Aer Lingus looking at new longhaul aircraft for asian routes? I believe so. According to their website, by december 2005, they will have the fol
39 Roberta : The A342 is longer range, capable of EZE-AKL and EZE-FCO for example. In AR's case, it suits them The original series of the A342 was longer ranged bu
40 Adria : But the A342 is still on offer
41 Cba : The A340-300, with a not-shabby range of 7300nm will most likely be around a lot longer. The A345 is much heavier, hence, more expensive to operate on
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