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Interesting 727 Video Here  
User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5567 times:

It shows a 727 being used in Africa. It lands and takes-off on dirt roads!!!

The narration is in French, but the images are quite interesting nonetheless.

See by yourself here.


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User currently offlineDeskPilot From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5369 times:

Would of thought the dust and stuff kicked up from the main undercarriage would get ingested by the engines - didn't see any filters in use.

Weren't some BAC 1-11's setup for rough strips - I remember they had engine filters on, plus other contraptions to limit damage.



By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?
User currently offlineMoodyBlues From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 142 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5304 times:

Rally driving in a 727, only in Africa I guess. It's amazing the life span, different uses, and beating those planes take. Put a Timex watch to shame  Big grin

Reminds me of a Jimmy Buffett song "Sitting on a bed in some hotel, listening to the stories it could tell" If only those old planes could "speak" and tell us where they've been and what they've done.

Used to love flying Kiwi from PBI-MDW those 727s were neat birds. Alas you don't see them here anymore, except for a couple parked down @ PBI for who knows what reason. Still a beautiful plane in my eyes.



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User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days ago) and read 5185 times:

Wow.. Off-roading in a 727! It definitely looks like they're taking an incredible chance of ingesting something into those outboard engines.. You can hear all the stones and crap being kicked up in the last scene as they're rotating..  Smile


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User currently offlineVS346 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 339 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

Fascinating stuff. I'm bilingual French/English so I'll translate a little:

The guy they interview is talking about how he spent approx. 300 hours flying in one month. His record is 3 days nonstop in the plane. The one 727 TransAfrique owns, cost them $1 million, and it was paid for in one month! For each flight, they charge $10,000. The pilots can make up to $20,000 a month. Funny thing is they never really explain what exactly they're hauling (at least the clip isn't long enough). I think it has something to do with oil or petrol. Whatever it is, it's lucrative!

Cheers,
VS346



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User currently offlineAkumas From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 434 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

Thats a good clip. It is a shame that they didn't show the plane rotate fully. Seems very bumpy from the cockpit shots. The video also seems recent. Good quality. Thanks for the translation VS346.

User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4911 times:

Amazing, any more clips??

User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4886 times:

nothing gets ingested into the engines because the wing is there to block that. it was designed that way...


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User currently offlineAOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1301 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4739 times:

I've seen the complete report ("Tankers en plein ciel") on France 5.
It was fascinating !
For 45 minutes you could see 727s and Hercule C130s taking off and landing on small runways with dust everywhere...
In fact there are lots of those cargo airline in Angola for a simple reason: the war in Angola. There are lots of diamond mines (I believe they were diamond mines) need gasoline to work, but it used to be very unsafe to haul this gasoline buy the road because the country remains VERY unsafe. So small cargo airlines were created such as Air Gemini and Transafrik (the 2 airlines featured in the report) and they haul gasoline between Luanda and the diamond mines who have small runways. There are so many holes in those runways that the pilot has to slalom during t/o and landing...
In fact those 727s are filled with tanks...they're real tankers, which makes them very dangerous since they are "flying bombs" as the pilot says, and his aircraft got shot several times...
Now the situation on the ground is better, and since it's less expensive to haul gasoline by road, the demand for those air tankers has fallen. So Air Gemini is now transporting passengers too, they've put back some seats in the 727s and made them Combi 727s.
It was an EXCELLENT report.


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 9, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4671 times:

This is not terribly unusual. 737s operate from dirt strips. They have a nose gear gravel deflector fitted.
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Photo © Jorge Rocafort Aviation Photography of Mexico



EDIT: Also in America:
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Photo © Aaron Hall

This one also has deflectors on the engines.


[Edited 2004-04-23 10:33:54]

[Edited 2004-04-23 10:35:17]


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 10, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

The 727 was not designed with debris ingestion in mind. That would be the A-10. It was simply a good solution. The landing gear could be low and the aerodynamics of the wing were simplified.



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User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

Okay, show of hands now...

How many of us wouldn't give our eye teeth to do this?



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29706 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4390 times:

Reeve flew their 727;s out of both Saint Paul and Red Dog without any problems.


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User currently offlineClipperno1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

Fantastic Clip. Would've loved to see the whole report, but I don't get France5 with my satellite dish.
I always looked at those here at a.net and marveled what this kind of ops must be like, how the companies are build up and where the pilots of these babies come from.
I'd love to learn much, much more about central- and west-african commercial aviation as it has always fascinated me how airline operation are done in this part of the world.
I've got two questions for the professionals here:

Are these tanker-palettes custom made to fit into the maindeck of the a/c?
Does anybody know of a supplier for these palettes?

Is that the 'Stick-shaker' you hear at the end when the 727 lifts off? Kind of funny as the captain clearly calls out 'positive climb' while you can hear that sound, indicating a stall warning, which would be quite reasonable given the short takeoff run.

I like that metaphor by member MoodyBlues....I mean if this aircraft could talk..looks like an ex-AA 727, so not too many years ago it was probably still busy flying out of DFW day in and day out and now runs down gravel roads for takeoff.....



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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5911 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

I think that I might be able to recieve France5 here - in fact, I can recieve it here.

Does anyone know if it's going to be repeated at some time?


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3954 times:
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Will be re-aired soon:

Rediffusion (1) le 25/04 à 3H00 (heure de Bruxelles)
Rediffusion (2) le 30/04 à 2H09 (heure de Bruxelles)

It is really AMAZING !!!!



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User currently offlineAOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1301 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3887 times:

Good news CPH-R, it'll be repeated but you should check it too because maybe the version of France5 you receive isn't exactly the same as the one we receive here.
But if it's the same, "Tankers en plein ciel" will be broadcasted again on April 25th at 03:00 AM (yes, AM) and on April the 30th at 2h09 AM.
Good luck !


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7387 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3735 times:

Very cool ! Too bad I don't speak french .


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User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

This is way too cool Big grin
Good old CARGO operations rules the world  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineJoleb From Belgium, joined Oct 2003, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3477 times:

it is alo being rebroadcasted now on tuesday may the 11th at 2:50pm

Mardi 11 mai 2004
а 14h50 : 14h50


User currently offlineEMBTucano From Brazil, joined Feb 2004, 246 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

Really nice If someone happen to know where to find more videos,
please let us know .

Cheers



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