7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2 Posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2814 times:
I just wanted to say that while i am not a "big" fan of southwest and whilethere are others who hate that airline for various reasons (killing off USAirways, etc.) you have to remember that Southwest is an ALL BOEING fleet...i like boeing and am not too crazy about southwest. BUT i have to give southwest the credit for staying with Boeing it's entire life
The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
Ual777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2790 times:
I agree, I personally don't like WN either. I work for UAL and have always disliked WN, you can call it childish, but if you work for a rival carrier you to would understand. It is cool that WN is all Boeing, wish F9 and B6 would have done that.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2583 times:
>>>I just wanted to say that while i am not a "big" fan of southwest and whilethere are others who hate that airline for various reasons (killing off USAirways, etc.) you have to remember that Southwest is an ALL BOEING fleet...i like boeing and am not too crazy about southwest. BUT i have to give southwest the credit for staying with Boeing it's entire life
If that's a compliment to SWA, it sounds like the old "you sweat less than any fat girl I know" kind of compliment...
As far as SWA "killing off USAirways" as being a valid reason for your ire, I think that's a little too simplistic. Yes, SWA is starting PHL, but after the various errors multiple USAirways managements have made over the last 10-15 years, just about -any- airline from Aeroflot to Zimbawe Air could be starting PHL service and have the same effect on USAirways.
SWA didn't make USAirways buy PSA and later abandon California, or buy Piedmont, or hire Stephen Wolf, or myriad of other things that have served to weaken USAirways over the years. While SWA's starting PHL may be the proverbial "straw" that may prove to be the one that breaks their back (and I hope it doesn't), it's both inaccurate and disingenuous to "pin" the whole thing on SWA. It's business.
About 3 weeks before he bailed/was booted, Dave Siegel told everyone something to the effect that "SWA is coming (to PHL) to kill us" and that kind of statement futher exacerbates the mistaken belief that it's somehow all SWA's fault. It's understandable why Siegel made that statement, I mean, he had to say -something- to fire up his troops and otherwise motivate them, but it wasn't quite the truth. What he said, on an emotional basis, sounded alot better than a perhaps more accurate (but less PC) "Our management's history of screwing the pooch has left us in a bad situation where anyone and everyone can knock us off."
Anyways, hate us if you want to....
Glad you like the Boeings--we'll try and stay away from the EMB-190s...
Ual777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2475 times:
Kind of the support a US product kind of thing for me. I cant stand the plane, but that fleet type fits WN like a glove. I couldn't see them doing a F9 thing or a total 757 fleet, would it work? National? 737'S and NG's fit WN.
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 2232 times:
I couldn't see them doing a F9 thing or a total 757 fleet
Actually, Herb would have introduced the 752 into WN's fleet if Boeing would have sold them to him at 737 prices. Obviously, that was a no-go... but would have been nice to see a third aircraft type in WN colors.
FLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 1839 times:
"What i am trying to say is that Southwest SHOULD stick with Boeing."
It's obvious that Southwest's business model, which has included operating only one fleet type, has been overwhelmingly successful for them so far. It does not, however, mean that it will always be the case in the future. Personally I think WN will always stick with Boeing, but look, for example, at easyJet - they have seen fit to introduce a second fleet type, the A319, alongside the 737 and it seems to be working well so far for them. If WN was offered a brilliant deal by another manufacturer (not necessarily Airbus), so good that it could possibly offset any maintenance/training costs, then they may well consider it.
At the end of the day, it all comes down to what type fits the operation best. And, as Ual777contrail said above, "that fleet type fits WN like a glove." If that should change in the future, WN may well go for a different manufacturer.
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 858 posts, RR: 51 Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 1788 times:
Sticking with Boeing like SouthWest are doing is REALLY patriotic......hallelulia.
Yeah... forget the fact that when WN began opperations there weren't any non-American aerospace corperations in existance that could build an aircraft of the 737s caliber. Nor the fact that the 737's engine is a 50/50 partnership with GE and SNEMCA... then again, I wouldn't want facts to get in the way of a good lie.
Personally I think WN will always stick with Boeing
I completly agree, but at one point within the 1-2 decades, WN will reach a point where-
A. The only markets left to enter are fortress cities
B. The only markets left to enter are international destinations
C. The only markets left to enter require over-water equipment
D. The only markets left to enter are too small for a 73G
At that point, who knows where WN fleet planning will go...
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25 Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1625 times:
FLYtoEGCC, You got to remember that WN is currently the worlds largest 737 operator. That 9.76% statistic is probably outdated. WN is still currently taking delivery of craploads of new 737s right now.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
FLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1552 times:
The 9.76% statistic is spot on - the site was last updated on 25th April this year. WN is taking delivery of loads of 737s, but it's going a bit far to say WN is the reason the 737 is still around. I don't think Boeing would have pulled the plug on it if WN didn't exist, plenty of other operators are taking delivery of new 737s as well.