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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

I just wanted to say that while i am not a "big" fan of southwest and whilethere are others who hate that airline for various reasons (killing off USAirways, etc.) you have to remember that Southwest is an ALL BOEING fleet...i like boeing and am not too crazy about southwest. BUT i have to give southwest the credit for staying with Boeing it's entire life  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineFlyinguy1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

And the point of this post is...


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User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

I agree, I personally don't like WN either. I work for UAL and have always disliked WN, you can call it childish, but if you work for a rival carrier you to would understand. It is cool that WN is all Boeing, wish F9 and B6 would have done that.


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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

so what makes Boeing so special?

Why does an airline deserve respect for staying all Boeing? Would you give an airline respect if it chose the wrong aircraft for its routes. That is just stupid, and stupidity deserves no respect.

I'd give respect to an Airline which makes good descitions based on economics.

The A330 is more suitable for NW's routes than the 777 so they chose the A330. The 753 is more suitable for NW than the A300 so they chose the 753.

Not that im saying WN have not chosen the right aircraft. They have chosen the right aircraft which suits them. But an Airline deserves no respect for going all Boeing nor all Airbus


User currently offlineRockyRacoon From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 967 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.......

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

>>>I just wanted to say that while i am not a "big" fan of southwest and whilethere are others who hate that airline for various reasons (killing off USAirways, etc.) you have to remember that Southwest is an ALL BOEING fleet...i like boeing and am not too crazy about southwest. BUT i have to give southwest the credit for staying with Boeing it's entire life


If that's a compliment to SWA, it sounds like the old "you sweat less than any fat girl I know" kind of compliment...  Big grin

As far as SWA "killing off USAirways" as being a valid reason for your ire, I think that's a little too simplistic. Yes, SWA is starting PHL, but after the various errors multiple USAirways managements have made over the last 10-15 years, just about -any- airline from Aeroflot to Zimbawe Air could be starting PHL service and have the same effect on USAirways.

SWA didn't make USAirways buy PSA and later abandon California, or buy Piedmont, or hire Stephen Wolf, or myriad of other things that have served to weaken USAirways over the years. While SWA's starting PHL may be the proverbial "straw" that may prove to be the one that breaks their back (and I hope it doesn't), it's both inaccurate and disingenuous to "pin" the whole thing on SWA. It's business.

About 3 weeks before he bailed/was booted, Dave Siegel told everyone something to the effect that "SWA is coming (to PHL) to kill us" and that kind of statement futher exacerbates the mistaken belief that it's somehow all SWA's fault. It's understandable why Siegel made that statement, I mean, he had to say -something- to fire up his troops and otherwise motivate them, but it wasn't quite the truth. What he said, on an emotional basis, sounded alot better than a perhaps more accurate (but less PC) "Our management's history of screwing the pooch has left us in a bad situation where anyone and everyone can knock us off."

Anyways, hate us if you want to....  Insane

Glad you like the Boeings--we'll try and stay away from the EMB-190s...  Big grin



[Edited 2004-04-24 03:18:10]

User currently offline737doctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Glad you like the Boeings--we'll try and stay away from the EMB-190s...

God, let's hope so...  Big grin



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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

Southwest is the reason the 737 family has been around for so long. And if Boeing & Southwest were husband & wife, the marriage will last a lifetime. Just my opinion only. Regards.


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User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

ROBERTA,
Kind of the support a US product kind of thing for me. I cant stand the plane, but that fleet type fits WN like a glove. I couldn't see them doing a F9 thing or a total 757 fleet, would it work? National? 737'S and NG's fit WN.


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User currently offlineFLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

"Southwest is the reason the 737 family has been around for so long."

Using http://www.airfleets.net as my source:

Southwest operate/have operated a total of 448 737s of all series, out of a total production of (3132 classic + 1456 NG) = 4588. That's a grand total of 9.76%.

So I disagree with you that Southwest is the reason that the 737 has been around so long.

In fact, Boeing wasn't far off scrapping the project before Lufthansa put in their original order for a bunch of 737-100s. So you could quite as easily say they are the reason we still have it.

EDIT: However, I agree with you about your signature.

[Edited 2004-04-24 04:03:06]


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2470 times:

Sticking with Boeing like SouthWest are doing is REALLY patriotic......hallelulia.

Michael//SE  Big grin



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

I couldn't see them doing a F9 thing or a total 757 fleet

Actually, Herb would have introduced the 752 into WN's fleet if Boeing would have sold them to him at 737 prices. Obviously, that was a no-go... but would have been nice to see a third aircraft type in WN colors.  Smile


User currently offlinePhaeton From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

WN started getting her 737s before Airbus launched the 318/319/320/321 family. I guess they just wanted to stick with one aircraft type and didn't want to acquire a new aircraft type.

Thomas



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User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

I think the Southwest/Boeing relationship is a healthy one. Both sides benefit from their entrepreneurship, and it would be wise to continue it. Of course we cant forget Boeing got raped by Ryanair.



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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

So what you're REALLY TRYING TO SAY IS......?

User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

What i am trying to say is that Southwest SHOULD stick with Boeing.


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User currently offlineFLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

"What i am trying to say is that Southwest SHOULD stick with Boeing."

It's obvious that Southwest's business model, which has included operating only one fleet type, has been overwhelmingly successful for them so far. It does not, however, mean that it will always be the case in the future. Personally I think WN will always stick with Boeing, but look, for example, at easyJet - they have seen fit to introduce a second fleet type, the A319, alongside the 737 and it seems to be working well so far for them. If WN was offered a brilliant deal by another manufacturer (not necessarily Airbus), so good that it could possibly offset any maintenance/training costs, then they may well consider it.

At the end of the day, it all comes down to what type fits the operation best. And, as Ual777contrail said above, "that fleet type fits WN like a glove." If that should change in the future, WN may well go for a different manufacturer.



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

Sticking with Boeing like SouthWest are doing is REALLY patriotic......hallelulia.

Yeah... forget the fact that when WN began opperations there weren't any non-American aerospace corperations in existance that could build an aircraft of the 737s caliber. Nor the fact that the 737's engine is a 50/50 partnership with GE and SNEMCA... then again, I wouldn't want facts to get in the way of a good lie.

Personally I think WN will always stick with Boeing

I completly agree, but at one point within the 1-2 decades, WN will reach a point where-
A. The only markets left to enter are fortress cities
B. The only markets left to enter are international destinations
C. The only markets left to enter require over-water equipment
D. The only markets left to enter are too small for a 73G

At that point, who knows where WN fleet planning will go...


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

FLYtoEGCC, You got to remember that WN is currently the worlds largest 737 operator. That 9.76% statistic is probably outdated. WN is still currently taking delivery of craploads of new 737s right now.



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User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

Well, dfwrevolution, if the rumors are true and Boeing is developing a 737 replacement based on the 7E7, we will probably be seeing 7E7s in WN colors within the next 15 years.


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User currently offlineFLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1784 times:

The 9.76% statistic is spot on - the site was last updated on 25th April this year. WN is taking delivery of loads of 737s, but it's going a bit far to say WN is the reason the 737 is still around. I don't think Boeing would have pulled the plug on it if WN didn't exist, plenty of other operators are taking delivery of new 737s as well.


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User currently offlineJeffinbwi From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1648 times:

Southwest is taking 47 737-700's this year alone.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

WN taking 47 orders of 73G is ALOT of airplanes, man! I dont think the 737 program will ever die.


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