Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3329 times:
do the maybe fly to other Canadian Airports like YUL or YVR?
No, AI does not serve any airport in Canado at the moment. Nevertheless, since AI is developing FRA as its European Hub, we could expect them serving YYZ in, let's assume, two years again. This is my own prognosis and it depends on the decision whether other transatlantic destinations, like SFO or IAH will be given priority to YYZ or not - maybe s/o else has more info. Once the 340 (or 777s - see below) will be ordered, let's say September and beginning to operate, let's say End of next year (or in the middle, if leased) we could expect North American destinations to increase, since AI identified North America as one of the most important future markets.
The reasons why they pult out: as far as I know they made big losses on the root, although demand should not be too low in regard to the large Indian population in Toronto (and other cities like Vancouver etc,,,). I am sure Sean can give detailed reasons.
By the way, AI also served Montreal for some time in the 80s...
in reference to the order. On my last flight a week ago on AI, I chatted with a very friendly FA for about an hour on AI. And he told me that he expects AI to switch the order from 340 to 777 and the 738 to 320... I am not sure how profound his information is, but he might know well from the source... I personally am a little doubtful, but in view of the IC order switch in the mod 80s not very unrealistic... any other source from s/o on this rumour?? Appreciate other info
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4653 posts, RR: 42 Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3211 times:
AI stopped YYZ in 92-93 because it was offered ORD and didnt have spare aircraft to fly to ORD and YYZ seperately and they felt that ORD had a brighter future than YYZ had for them so they decided to withdraw from YYZ and stick with ORD.
As you can see now, it probably was a wise move as ORD for them has grown from strength to strength and from initially being 3 weekly B 747s via LHR, its soon gonna be daily via LHR (3) and AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA (4).
Though I wouldnt rule out a future reentry into YYZ for AI as AC are doing pretty well on the DEL route.
Ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12673 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3165 times:
Could it be possible that AI pulled out of YYZ, other Canadian airports due to security and terrorism events in the mid-1980's. There was the AI flight from YYZ to LHR that blew up just off the coast of Ireland (been by spot that overlooks near where a/c ended up, is memorial marker there) and a situation where luggage for an AI flight blew up at an airport in Canada near the same time. I believe in both cases Siiks, whom are a minority cultural group in India, were blamed as the terrorists. (Siiks and Hindus had a shaky relationship for a number of years in the 1980's-early 1990's).
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3089 times:
it probably was a wise move as ORD for them has grown from strength to strength and from initially being 3 weekly B 747s via LHR, its soon gonna be daily via LHR (3) and AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA (4).
Interesting, but factually incorrect.
Operations to Chicago started in November 1996 with 2x weekly service via Frankfurt, switched to 2x weekly service via London in June 1997, increased to 6x weekly service (3x London, 3x Frankfurt) in mid-1998, reduced to 3x weekly service via London in May 1999 and back upto 6x weekly service (3x London, 3x Frankfurt) in December 2003.
Also, there has been no formal announcement nor specific plan to add a 4th weekly service via Frankfurt, unless you know something we don't.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3064 times:
AI stopped YYZ in 92-93 because it was offered ORD and didnt have spare aircraft to fly to ORD and YYZ seperately
Again, interesting story but yet again factually incorrect.
AI opened Canada service with a BOM-DEL-FRA-LHR-YMX-LHR-DEL-BOM service on October 2, 1982 operating 2x weekly on Wednesdays and Saturdays.
Service to YYZ was inaugurated on January 19, 1985 and the service became once weekly with a routing of BOM-DEL-FRA-YYZ-YMX-LHR-DEL-BOM operating on Saturdays.
Service to Canada was suspended indefinitely from June 30, 1985 following the bombing of AI 182 operated by VT-EFO by Canadian-based extremists.
Toronto services were reinstated in 1989 with a twice-weekly routing of India-LHR-YYZ-LHR-India.
In summer of 1992, the services were operated as daily flights with routings of India-LHR-JFK-YYZ-JFK-LHR-India on 5 days of the week (no 5th freedom JFK-YYZ and pax in sterile transit) and India-LHR-YYZ the remaining two days(may actually have been 5x total with 3x via JFK and 2x via LHR, I don't recall for sure).
Service was cancelled in the fall of 1992 and reinstated in summer of 1993 using a mixture of 742s and 743s. The service switched to a 742/744 mixed operation from December 12, 1993 when VT-ESO made her maiden revenue flight as AI 188 from YYZ-LHR-BOM after a ferry PAE-YYZ.
The last flight to YYZ was on March 11, 1997 when the service was suspended due to lack of LHR slot availability.
Pbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 604 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3049 times:
Mrniji or B747-437B,
Since you two seem to be somewhat in the know regarding AI, how likely is it that they will begin service to IAH in the next 5 years? I know that hinges on when the new aircraft come on line, but let's assume they get past that little wrinkle in short order. Is IAH still in their plans as it was in the 90's. I've heard recently that AI may be interested in DFW and I assume they would not launch both IAH and DFW. Also I know SFO and YYZ are probably high on the list. We sure would love to see AI here in Houston. Any ideas?
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2900 times:
how likely is it that they will begin service to IAH in the next 5 years?
I think B747-437B has given an accurate answer on this. The priorities (also due to the bilateral) are different. Still, after the aircraft deal passes, it could always happen in "a short notice" that AI applies and gets IAH or DFW. The "five year" period you give seems realistic, but I have no idea whether they would like to start IAH or DFW as priority. Definitely, first SFO and YYZ will start, and I could even imagine IAD being over IAH, but I am not sure. I wouldn't be surprised that once more aircraft are available (new) destinations quickly appear... I think we will know more after the aircrafts are ordered, since the management then will start to work out new strategies and plans. We will hear new rumors and insider info then!