PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2648 posts, RR: 10 Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1752 times:
I know that there is some sort of predicament that requires certain flights to stop in SNN on the way to/from DUB. I'm just not sure exactly what flights, which airlines, which aircraft, which destinations it applies to, and so on.
For example, CO has a non-stop on some days from EWR to DUB; sometimes it stops on the way back, sometimes it doesn't. Aer Lingus has non-stops to BWI, JFK, BOS, and LAX. Which have to stop in SNN, or is EI exempt from the clause?
What is the purpose of stopping in SNN? Is it simply because the airport would be otherwise under-utilized, or something else? I appreciate all responses. Thank you.
Snnams From Ireland, joined Apr 2004, 288 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1642 times:
The Shannon stopover as we refer to it here dates back to the days when SNN was a necessary port of call on Europe-US flights due to the limited range of aircraft in use back then. When longer range aircraft came on the scene, the Irish goverment enacted this law to protect SNN, so it had a guaranteed source of traffic: ALL flights, by all airlines operating Ireland-US had to stop at Shannon inbound and outbound before continuing on to Dublin, or the US. You must bear in mind (because I know this law sounds crazy) that Shannon is located in what was then quite a poor part of a poor country: Shannon airport was a major driver of growth for the west of Ireland.
However, things have changed. Ireland is now a very wealthy country, but a certain group want this crazy law maintained, continually saying things like "Shannon will die as an airport if the stopover goes". There was already a change in the 90's when direct flights ex Dublin were allowed as long as for every flight into Dublin, there was one to Shannon too. In CO's case, this means serving both airports with one flight in the Winter, but seperate flights to each in Summer. EI, with more destinations can do things differently, so all LAX flights only serve DUB. All ORD flights originate in SNN, but stop in Dublin inbound and outbound, thus giving DUB the benefit of a direct flight. To compensate, all BWI and BOS flights go via SNN.
There have been significant movements to get this changed for years; none of the airlines are happy about it: and DL in particular have threatened to pull out on Numerous occasions. In reality, the goverment wants it gone, but politicians from the Shannon area seem to always hold a balance of power that makes it very difficult to get this crazy law changed. Now, with EU/US negotiations taking place, it is finally being taken out of their hands.
I am from Shannon myself, but a supporter of free and unrestricted access, so I believe this law should go. Dublin will always have higher demand: it's the capital and by far the largets population. I am not worried for Shannon as it too has a strong (but not as large) market, and will, I believe, retain the transatlantic network it needs, as determined by the market forces.
Lastly, this law does nothing to boost the numbers of flights out of Ireland: if anything it limits it. The airlines have talked of adding many new flights out of DUB to the US. The market is there and does not need artificial stimulants, britpilot777.
Snnams From Ireland, joined Apr 2004, 288 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1530 times:
One other thing I should mention to those of you wanting to sample the delights of the A330...
one nice side affect of this law is that you get probably the worlds cheapest flight on an A330.. SNN-DUB for about $35 each way.. and only 20 minutes flying time! Should you be in Ireland any time soon and be needing to get from Dublin to Shannon/Limerick, it compares with a 3 hour train journey costing about $35 dollars one way or return. Enjoy it while it lasts! (The scenery en route is pretty special too!)
Leviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1497 times:
Welcome to A.net Snnams !
How long is the DUB-SNN ride anyway, could not be more that 20-25 minutes from takeoff to landing, right ? I was actually planning on trying that trip out last time I was back at the island but in the end I did not have enough time :-(
Leviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1487 times:
By the way, what if you know that there are going to be low loads, and then buy a ticket from SNN to DUB but do not disembark instead hide somewhere and continue on to the states, assuming you only travel with hand luggage you could cross the pond for 30 bucks (oh well not really but it sure sounds good)
M404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2218 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1419 times:
Thanks for the lesson. I took a TWA 707 from JFK to SNN in the early 70s (yes it went on to Dublin) but I was always happy that we got off there. A rented car for a week and their was so much gorgeous country to see that we never even got near Dublin. Snnams I would hope that these same businessmen put the money in advertising and possibly the rental car companies would give a break on dropoff charges and the two airports would have a great lure and reason to use both.
I promise to see Dublin next time.
Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
Snnams From Ireland, joined Apr 2004, 288 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1325 times:
I can assure you there is already plenty of lure to see both! Over the last number of months, Aerlingus have been turning away passengers from flights from both Dublin and Shannon. Over the last two weeks many flights have seen 110% of aircraft capacity turning up at the airport with some obviously denied boarding. The low fares have certainly done the trick! CO too is adding capacity to both DUB and SNN this year, and DL is going back to 777 operation for summer.
For the second year, we will welcome US airways back to SNN and DUB too.
What has changed the situation a lot is that Irish originating passengers are now often in the majority on these services. It was once a case that most passegers were Americans, but the low fares and good (for us!) Euro/Dollar exchange rate mean more Irish than ever before are going stateside. For example, during winter, it was possible to get a one way seat from DUB or SNN to JFK for 99 Euro (about $75) plus tax.... in many cases it was as cheap for us to go to New York as it was to go to Amsterdam!
Snnams From Ireland, joined Apr 2004, 288 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1303 times:
Thank you for your words of welcome!
The flight from DUB-SNN takes about 20-25 minutes depending on runways in use at either. You wont climb much higher than about 10,000 feet, so views are good.
It is pretty impossible to remain on the plane too... a full, complete security check of the aircraft is done at both airports before it leaves for the U.S. Any passengers in transit must leave the aircraft with all belongings if transiting through SNN, or remain on the aircraft for a full security check on board if transiting through DUB. If you still managed to remain on board through all that, the U.S immigration guys based here in Ireland will then come lookin' for ya!