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Winglets For CO 737s And 757s!  
User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3006 posts, RR: 4
Posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7939 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040426/sfm158_1.html

It's not much of a surprise about CO's 737s, which seemed overdue for the blended winglets, but I wasn't expecting to see 757s with winglets. Should be one fine looking airplane!


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
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User currently offlineBobs89irocz From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7833 times:

I agree, should look pretty sweet. Sure the winglets will help out in the long run.

User currently offlineNycfuturepilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 791 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7790 times:

I was wondering when they were going to get them. Do any 757s have them now?


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User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7785 times:

I had no idea that Boeing was even working on winglets for the 757. Talk about making a terrific looking aircraft look even better! I can't wait.  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineIluv2pilot From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7735 times:

There are no 757's currently flying that have winglets. These will be the first and CO will help Boeing get the required certification. I find it ironic that CO and Boeing are doing this considering the 757 will not longer be produced. Just points out that CO plans on flying theirs for some time. They need to recoup the cost with fuel savings.

User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1065 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7711 times:

Nycfuturepilot
I don't think anyone else has the winglets on the 757, as it states that CO is the launch customer for the 757 with winglet project.

Also it states that the 757 w/ winglets will enter service in June of 2005, but does anyone know when the 738's w/ winglets will enter service? If the product is already developed, it wouldn't make sense to wait over a year to install something that would lower fuel burn. Especially when oil prices are so high.


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7698 times:

Perhaps the winglets on the 757s will eliminate the wingtip vortexes the 757 is known for. The 757 'heavy', from what I understand, has to have greater distance between other aircraft on final approaches because of the vortexes. But I agree...that should be one handsome looking bird once the winglets are installed. Regards.


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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2460 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7626 times:

I got some exclusive pics:


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User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1065 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7612 times:

CODC10
You beat me to it.  Smile


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7575 times:

Once again Gordon Bethune shows why he is the man!

Bethune 2004!

Those 757s should look nice!


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7552 times:

Bethune 2004!

Hmm, interesting proposition.

I'm a Bush supporter... but if Bethune ran as an independent-- hell yeah I'd vote for him  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7496 times:

I support BUSH too, but Gordon is my man! I love his video before you take off!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7467 times:

CODC10
Why do you post picture of the TU plane instead of a B757?



747SP
User currently offlineMattg21iah From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 55 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7463 times:

Its about time CO thought about winglets. I agree with everyone that the 757 is going to look awesome!

User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7448 times:

That's great - now we will see more narrow body jets flying longer distances... we need more widebodies  Sad

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7361 times:

A good decision for Continental, considering their (relatively) extensive long-haul 757 and transcon 737 operations.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7324 times:


Warren747sp -

Because the TU always looked like a 757 with winglets!


User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7291 times:

Close, but not quite. Anyway I think the 757 will look like crap with the winglets not like the 737 which looks gorgeous with it.


747SP
User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3247 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7163 times:

In my own humble opinion the 757 with winglets will be sex on wings!!!!!

Tony



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User currently offlineTarantine From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7106 times:

Just curious, why did'nt boeing put them on production 757s in the first place? I mean, the 757s are still being produced. Also, if the blended winglets can reduce fuel burn by 5%, why are they not on current production 767-300, 777 and 717s? Did boeing just relize that winglets actually have a purpose? Probably not since the 747-400 has them.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7078 times:

The Winglets on CO's 757s will open up even more Trans-Atlantic routes for CO's 757 fleet, for example..

Berlin, Hamburg, Lyon etc..

Also the 737-800 with Winglets operating for Air Mike probably will greatly increase performance on existing routes like the Island Hopper and Guam-Cairns, also the extended range brings more Pacific Destinations within CO Mike's reach from Guam.




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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7016 times:

This is a real surprise. Didn't expect the 757s to get them, though the 737NGs were definently in mind as possiblities. Think AA or DL will give their 738s winglets? Why doesn't Continental give their 739s winglets?


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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6999 times:

Do you think we will see more Transatlantic routes with the winglets due to the increased performance? It would be great if CO could expand their Transatlantic network even more.

User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6954 times:

Yes, I think so. The winglets will slightly extend the range of the 757s, so I expect Continental to take full advantage of this internationally. Wonder if AA will also give their 757s winglets now that they intend to use them more internationally?


Fly one thing; Fly it well
User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6875 times:

737-800s are used, in general, on the longest average stage lengths of our entire 737 fleet, and therefore would be ideal to test the economics of such an arrangement with. The word is that they will eventually be applied to the remainder of the fleet incrementally, since we do not expect the results of the trials to be anything less than favorable, based on the track record of in-service 737NG's with winglets.

Interestingly, let me refer to a post I had on this nearly a year ago, obviously this was under consideration for quite some time. Also may explain why 737-900s are not part of the initial set of aircraft to be fitted with winglets.

Username: 777gk
From United States, joined Jun 2000, 1102 posts, RR: 53
Posted Thu May 29 2003 00:34:53 UTC+1 and read 1048 times.
A year or so ago, Continental was toying with the idea of getting winglets for a cadre of 737-800s, a dedicated transcontinental/long-haul fleet, but the problem is that we operate the 738 on the full spectrum of routes, and a typical day for one of our -800s could include a few short hauls followed by a transcon, with the short hauls negating any fuel burn benefit on the long haul segment. It seems Alaska falls into this same catch-22.

I was under the impression that additional tanks could be fitted into the holds of the 739 to give it transcontinental range. The idea was offered to Continental way back when, but was declined since a route requiring such capacity would more than likely be operated by a 757. The -900 was purchased for higher-density short hauls, and that seems to be the way Boeing designed it. Alaska may be pushing the limits a bit, but this certainly is a testament to the legendary versatility and flexibility of the Boeing 737 family.





25 QF744 : Thrust, I don't think any 739s have winglets? Anyone know if they do. Also, dont forget there are a couple of 727s out there with winglets, so to have
26 Thrust : DL used to have several 727-200s with winglets. It shocks me why the 739 doesn't get winglets. Is it not an -NG as well?
27 Post contains images CcrlR : This is like girls getting boob jobs cause they see Britney Spears with them. Aviation partners Boeing has something about it on their website. They h
28 ConcordeBoy : Is it not an -NG as well? yes, it is
29 DfwRevolution : Given NWs attitude of "flying aircraft into the ground," can we expect them to retrofit their fleets? A 5% savings over the next decade or so would be
30 Post contains images Aloha717200 : In my own humble opinion the 757 with winglets will be sex on wings!!!!! LOL!! You said it! I can't wait for the wingleted 757s, good lord those will
31 Gnomon : Has there been any public word on the expected cost per aircraft of buying, installing and maintaining the winglets? I know there has been discussion
32 Bronko : Anyone know if the testing and certification will be done at BFI? AP has a facility there.
33 LN-MOW : Just heard from a source in CO that 738 installation will take place in MCO, starting in July. One 752 will be used for a six month certification prog
34 ND : (speculation) Perhaps if CO decides to buy the 7E7, it could eventually replace the transatlantic 757 routes and CO would put those 757s on high densi
35 Pilot kaz : wow, cant wait to see them on the 757, gonna be great!
36 A340Spotter : If the savings of 5% on the 757s is accurate, then yes, the odds are that CO will start adding a couple more cities in Eastern Europe from EWR. ND, sp
37 Phollingsworth : The most probable reason that the 757's don't have winglets is that the old style, non-blended, actually produce a fair amount of interference drag. T
38 STT757 : I wonder if they will test the Winglets on Air Mike's 737-800s, they have some long segements and operate out of small Atoll air fields. Besides all t
39 ND : A340spotter, As someone who seems like he is involved in CO affairs, have you heard of any officials within CO explicitly or even hinting at their (no
40 LN-MOW : '''The reason I ask this is because it is rumored that an American carrier wants to be a launch customer and I had strong intuitions that Continental
41 CODC10 : I would have a hard time believing it's going to be DL, given their financial state and already massive fleet of 757s and 767s, only a fraction of whi
42 Greg : I posted in another topic...it has been stated to the press that either American or Northwest would be the first customer...but not necessarily the la
43 Gigneil : Who cares if it looks nice or not? Blended winglets will substantially improve CO's 757 services to South America and Europe. The 739 is intended as a
44 ScottysAir : My guess that would be perfect to them with CO of new winglets with every of those aircraft. Are you think about anything else with Continental Airlin
45 Post contains images Hamlet69 : "I had no idea that Boeing was even working on winglets for the 757." Techincally, Boeing isn't. Aviation Partners Boeing is. Of course, they will wor
46 Post contains links and images Mikephotos : ok, here's the "real" exclusive photo http://rockawayreef.netfirms.com/co757winglets.jpg Mike
47 UAMAYBACH1239 : The 737-900 currently operating falls more or less in this group: 732-735-736-739 short hauls. Adding winglets will be adding weight, which would burn
48 Mikephotos : One of the routes CO has the 737-900 on is EWR-CUN. That's 4+ hours, a fairly long "short haul". Michael
49 AA737-823 : And IAH-Florida... that's 2+ hours.
50 BoingGoingGone : The 739 is intended as a short-haul plane. Blended winglets would hamper that role. Not entirely, but okay. I suppose SWA should stop adding and start
51 STT757 : "One of the routes CO has the 737-900 on is EWR-CUN. That's 4+ hours, a fairly long "short haul"." I flew EWR-CUN on a CO 737-900 in January '02, grea
52 FlyCaledonian : Could the ten CO 767-200s get 767-400 style raked wingtips? And what effect would that have on the aircraft's range?
53 Gigneil : Not entirely, but okay. I suppose SWA should stop adding and start removing their winglets as it does nothing for their short hops they use them on be
54 Boeing nut : Boy, now wouldn't that be a bitch if 757 winglets gave the aircraft a new lease on life after production ends? I know, I know, there are a lot of afte
55 Mikephotos : I flew EWR-CUN on a CO 737-900 in January '02, great flight and I think it was less than 4 hours. Not sure, but I think it was actual flight time migh
56 Bobs89irocz : Boeing nut- I never thought about it like that (the 767 going before the 757) but i totally agree. Both arent really out dated and the 764 doesnt have
57 Post contains links BoingGoingGone : Field performance. They operate out of short, hot fields. Err... Yes and No. Depends on how you look at it: http://ir.thomsonfn.com/InvestorRelations/
58 Airbus3801 : Because Boeing has stopped making the 757 how are they going to put the winglets on the aircraft. I am not very familiary with the 57.
59 Post contains links BoingGoingGone : It's a retro-fit: http://www.aviationpartnersboeing.com/main.htm
60 American762 : The 757 is beautiful as it is. Adding winglets will just make this one of the most beautiful aircraft in the sky. However I wonder, will they be the n
61 Bigphilnyc : My two favorite palnes are the 752 and the 738 with winglets. But I'm not sure if I'm going to like this on the 757. But it's exciting nonetheless. I'
62 Post contains links Mikephotos : Guess the above link doesn't work, here's the corrected ver: http://rockawayreef.netfirms.com/co757winglets.html Michael
63 Post contains images EA CO AS : Daaaaaaamn. That plane is just about as sexy as any porn on the internet!
64 Bigphilnyc : EA CO AS, Get a girl. kthxbuy -Phil
65 Afay1 : Does anyone know the price efficiency difference between retrofitting a used 757 or buying a new Tupolev 204/214. Old reliable vs. 757ski
66 777gk : If a pair of winglets for a 757 cost more than a Tu-204, then one way or another, there's a problem...
67 Post contains images SQ452 : oh those are sweet looking on a 757! Should help the 757 on the longhauls to european destinations from EWR!!!
68 STT757 : I think I read someplace where it costs $600,000 per aircraft to retrofit Winglets onto 737NGs, don't quote me though. I don't see why the cost to ret
69 WidgetBoi : Does this mean Continental will start sending their 737-800s across the Atlantic? jeremy
70 STT757 : "Does this mean Continental will start sending their 737-800s across the Atlantic?" Not unless they reconfigure the cabins, something along the lines
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