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Will SAN Ever Have Nonstop Service To Asia?  
User currently offlineThawit76 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 10 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4009 times:

Would an airline such as China Airlines, Asiana, or JAL ever consider adding SAN to their route structure? Half the people on the flights out of the Commuter Terminal seem to be connecting in LAX for flights to Asia. I realize SAN has not done well with past international service (BA) and the proximity to LAX, with all its connections to Asia, don't seem to favor the idea, but it would seem like it would possible for one airline to make a decent profit on this route.

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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3980 times:

I've wondered that too.
Also, why doesn't Boston and Miami have service to Tokyo as well.


User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3118 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3921 times:
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In the mid 1990s, Delta was looking into one-stop service to Tokyo from SAN. The service would have been tacked on to the SAN-HNL service operated by Delta which was inherited from Western. Unfortunately, SAN-HNL was later dropped by Delta when it eliminated most of its point-to-point service.

I think service to Tokyo is a possibility some day (but less likely than resumption of service to Europe), especially if it is possible to fly a somewhat smaller aircraft like the 7E7 trans-Pacific. Mostly like the service would be operated by one of the two main Japanese carriers, since they could make use of their Tokyo hub.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

I don't think SAN will ever have non-stop service to Asia - there are just too many choices from LAX and SFO. Too bad, isn't it? I'd love to see a Japan Air Lines rising sun (hino maru) or a blue Korean Air or even a Singapore jet skimming the rooftops of downtown on approach:


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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

That would be great! But I'm sure it would have to be a 777 or smaller. The BA 744 could not take off with a full load out of SAN, so I can't imagine it would be able to fly to Asia.

User currently offlineThawit76 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

Flyboyaz,
I agree, any airline considering this route would probably use a 777 or A340 (or possibly the 7e7 when its available) given the restrictions of flying a heavier aircraft into SAN and passenger loads.


User currently offline65captin From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

Yeah that would be great, I work in the Hospitality industry, and from the looks of what I seen it seems to me that there would be a "decent" market for an Asian route out of SAN. Personally I would love to see an A345 on descent from Mesa college. Have a great day All!!!



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

I don't think so. In my opinion TIJ has a better chance of getting a non-stop flight to Asia than SAN.


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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1597 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

I think you might see a PR A340 in here. Depending on how the LAS flight does, it might even be sooner than you think if it could be shifted. The AB) (MNL / RPLL), Philippines">MNL-YVR-SAN routing would be a good fit for San Diego (even if it's only 3 times a week) and we could use the non-stop to YVR as well.

SAN-NRT is into the headwinds and although it is the same distance as SAN-LHR, the flight is actually 1.5 hours longer due those winds and that might be pushing it out of Lindbergh.

History shows that when PanAm was selecting a West Coast seaport to base it's flying boats for flights across the Pacific in the 1930's, San Diego was very much in the running. Remember, SAN was the first commercial airport to integrate sea and land facifities right next to each other for this porpose. We were just a little further from Hawaii then Alameda was. Oh, how things could have been different! PanAm also applied for the San Diego-Honolulu route in 1968 in the trans-pacific case, but Western got it.

Someday LAX will run out of room and we do have those three empty international gates (except for the 2.6 flights into Mexico) just waiting.



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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

It's really not a matter of if, but when.

Still, it won't happen overnight. I know, I'd love to see this or that Asian carrier flying their pretty planes into Lindbergh as much as the next person, but we've got to be realistic. San Diego and many similar-sized cities have had a run of pretty bad luck over the past few years. (I have already discussed reasons for British Airways' suspension numerous times. Please see http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1484093/6/ and http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1484093/6/).

I don't believe San Diego will see a major increase in international service for at least another year. However, I am optimistic that within the next 5 years, San Diego will not only see a resumption of suspended routes (SAN-LHR, SAN-YYZ, SAN-YVR), but a plethora of new ones.

SAN-Asia will no doubt occur, but it's hard to say by whom and exactly when. I would also assume that one of the two main Japanese carriers would be most likely, but it is also interesting to wonder whether any of the smaller Asian carriers, such as Korean Air, China Airlines, Cathay Pacific, (or even some of the mainland Chinese carriers) will have developed hub structures to accomodate SAN sometime in the future.

One final factor to consider is the advent of the 7E7. The real beauty of Boeing's new plane is that it all but assures that cities like SAN, PDX, PHX, BOS, and PHL will all see service to Asia at some point. The 7E7 is nothing short of perfect for an intercontinental market such as SAN, and personally, I would not be surprised if ANA actually happens to be the first entrant into the SAN-Asia market in 2008/2009 with 7E7s.

Again, I cannot stress enough that SAN-Asia will not happen overnight. But it will happen. In the meantime, SAN should concentrate on bringing back suspended routes, and continuing a very decent run of domestic expansion.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineUA744KSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

Once San Diego has a new airport, then I'm pretty sure there will be a resumption of service to Europe and new service to Asia.

User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

With LAX so close and with 300 daily Star Alliance flights there, it would be a bit redundant to have additional service out of SAN. It's more economical to shuttle people to SFO or LAX for the Star Network.

Someday I could see direct service, but not in the short term.

FA4UA



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User currently offlineThawit76 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

trvlr,
the 7e7 could very well be the catalyst for SAN-Asia routes. Personally I feel SAN-Asia would work better than SAN-LHR did because there are more links (both business and leisure) with Asia. My guess is that the BA traffic on the SAN-LHR flight was mainly lower yielding tourist traffic. Given the number of Japanese/Korean tech companies with operations in San Diego and the Maquiladora factories just over the border in Tijuana, there would appear to be enough lucrative business pax for this route to be profitable.


User currently offlineKwbl From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3580 times:

PDX already has (actually is about to re-start) service to Tokyo on NW. Still, the 7e7 seems like it would work very well for many small and mid-sized markets. The only problem will be slots at NRT (assuming that is where most Asia bound pax will transit)

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32726 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

I've wondered that too.
Also, why doesn't Boston and Miami have service to Tokyo as well.


American Airlines planned, then canceled, BOS-NRT service back in 1999. United was also going to start BOS-NRT pending a merger with US Airways. The merger flew through, so did the route.

JAL used to fly NRT-ANC-MIA-GRU in the 1980s. In recent years there have been rumours of Northwest, LanChile, and Varig all starting MIA-NRT. NW has the proper equipment, but LA or RG would be stretching thier legs with MIA-NRT. And with new visa ristrictions, you can rule RG out of the picture.

The best chance for both MIA and BOS to get service to Narita is the new 7E7, which will make both routes very viable.



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