Diatraveler From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 20 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3368 times:
Will the 7E7 and especially with All Nippon (Star Alliance) being the launch customer help Den receive non-stop NRT service? I'm tired of having to connect in LAX, SFO or SEA. A non-stop would be nice, especially with customs in Denver.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3219 times:
I think the 7E7 opens five markets in particular for non-stop Tokyo service: Boston, Denver, Miami, Philadelphia, and Phoenix. And I don't think ANA would have a hard time filling a 7E7 from any of them.
Iowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 928 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3070 times:
Quickmover,
Well, before the new 16,000 foot runway was built, in I believe that there were considerable weight restrictions to get a 777 off the ground and still have enough fuel for that route. However, with the new runway, I am not sure. I thought that Denver built it to encourage and get those longer and heavier flights to operate into and out of Denver. What is the longest flight out of Denver? Is it still the daily Lufthansa flight to Frankfurt? Do they operate a 744 or 343 on that?
UAMAYBACH1239 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 221 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3057 times:
I think that would be a great route also, but when UA gave up LAX-KIX shortly after ANA joined star UA hinted that they would like to make SFO primarily a pac rim hub, and some flts. out of LA.
They wanted Denver to be more of a transfer hub. Even in LH case flying AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA-DEN only after LH went public on flying direct to DEN, did they give assistance.
DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2685 times:
There isn't a large market, but there is a market.
Perhaps not enough for a 777, but probably for a 7E7.
I agree. Given the fact that a 7E7-800 seats 200 pax (3 class) whereas the 772ER seats 300 pax (3 class), it would be much easier to sustain the route with a 7E7. This may be true of many trans-pac city pairs.
Terminalc From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 153 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2587 times:
The 7E7 is going to do what airplanes should do: carry to people to where they want to go from where they want to leave. I personally cannot wait. I'm tired of hopscotching all over the Pacific Rim going through hubs that I care nothing about.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2527 times:
DEN-SIN (7881 nm) (14:04)
Not sure where you got this number, but this is like a 20 hour flight.
ATLhomeCMH From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 770 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2397 times:
Yes, it will most definitely help DEN...according to an article in today's USA Today Money section...
and I quote, Believing that airlines will purchase 3,000 midsize jets in the next 20 years, Boeing designed the 200-seat 7E7 as a low-maintenance, fuel-sipping workhorse. Its optimal mission: opening long-distance routes between less-traveled destinations, such as St. Louis to South Korea.
The larger interior airports of the United States (SLC, DEN, STL, DFW, ORD, etc) will be greatly served by such a flawlessly designed aircraft.
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RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7695 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2237 times:
From what I've read, the 7E7-8 (which I believe NH has ordered) will have a range over 8,000 nautical miles. That is far more than enough for NH to fly from NRT and KIX to DEN easily in both directions non-stop.
Phollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 6 Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2201 times:
Based upon my quick calculations. The 16,000 ft runway increases the maximum takeoff weight for a 772ER on a +27 degree day by ~20,000 pounds. http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircompat/777.htm
Note, the full 16,000 ft is useless as the aircraft becomes tire-speed limited (you cannot interpolate Boeing's charts so you need to use 6,000 ft.). This translates into ~15-20,000 lb payload increase, not insubstantial. Given UAL's current seat count, there would be little restriction in the number of passengers carried with the 12K ft runway, but no extra cargo. The 16K ft runway allows ~20,000 lbs of cargo to be added.
ORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2173 times:
I doubt that DEN will see pacific rim flights for quite some time. UA/Star Alliance et al are happy feeding traffic through LAX or SFO and will for quite some time as they will want to fill those A380s. I know all you Denverites are dyeing for more intl long haul service! DEN is a great airport with the capacity and infrastructure for such service. I just think time will tell particularly how low the load factor can be to make the 7e7 (hope they call it the 808!) will be to break even.
UAMAYBACH1239 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 221 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2080 times:
Im sure a direct flt. out of DEN would be decent loads, other things to look at is cargo restrictions, other alliance members flying pac rim passengers to DEN, and last SFO and LAX can fill planes with passengers, freight, and mail
daily with no restrictions.
LAX is prime obviously because of sea level, I think SEA would see more action be DEN.
25 Gigneil: If there was a sufficient market DEN-NRT would NH or UA not be flying a 767 on the route Its a fairly tough trip for a 767 against those winds. The 76
26 Roberta: yeh i forgot DEN was high altitude too
27 SailorOrion: Any aircraft besides the 747 (and maybe 777) can use the shorter runway at NRT. I landed on it with a A340-300 a couple of weeks ago. Pretty nice brak
28 MAH4546: Many one-stops exist on 777s between DEN and NRT. Many? Ever since United ended the DEN-SEA 777 leg of the SEA-NRT flight last year, there has been no
29 DCAYOW: The Boeing 7E7 is a direct response to how Boeing sees the market evolving the Terminalcalc explained, more direct services to where people want to g
30 PW100: SAN-NRT-with network beyond NRT SAN-Europe hub with network beyond the Europe hub (LHR, AMS, CDG, or F.RA) That's ironically funny. You just described
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