Oneworldman From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 190 posts, RR: 1 Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2332 times:
NY Flight Diverted For "Strange" Passenger
Apr 27, 2004 3:31 pm US/Eastern
(1010 WINS) (SALT LAKE CITY) A Delta flight headed from Los Angeles to New York's JFK airport was diverted to Salt Lake City Tuesday after a man "acting strangely" with a butane lighter alarmed the flight crew, officials said.
The lighter was contained inside a cell phone, Transportation Security Administration spokesman Earl Morris told KUTV.
"He became somewhat unruly and somewhat abusive," Morris said.
Flight 1986 left Los Angeles International Airport airport about 8 a.m. but landed about 11:05 a.m. at Salt Lake City International Airport. The plane's 139 passengers were taken off the craft to be re-screened while the man was questioned by FBI and TSA agents, airport spokeswoman Barbara Gann said.
Dogs sniffed passenger bags and agents combed through the plane, which was expected to take off again for New York around 1 p.m. MDT.
Ifly2eat From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 8 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2255 times:
Whoa,
This man was described as "Somewhat unruly" and "acting strangely." That describes 90% of airline passengers, particularity from LA to NYC.
Flairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2232 times:
my question is is it really necessary to rescreen passengers because of 1 crazy...i say just bring dogs on there, stick a couple of air marshalls on, and get back in the air...not unload everyone and everything, make people feel uneasy, and ruin a flight even more.
Contrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1820 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2102 times:
I'm with Flairport. Get the nut off, check the cabin, and get the plane back in the air.
On a related matter, I really appreciate what the FA's have to do onboard these days. They have to be alert for:
Jessman From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1506 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2075 times:
"Acting strangely" with a lighter. I wonder if this genius was trying to light his shoe or carryon bag or something.
I don't care if you ARE strange, when in public in a stressful situation DON'T ACT STRANGE. It's not a good idea. I'm glad his fellow passengers didn't see fit to beat him, but he caused much trouble for everyone.
Av8rDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 456 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2004 times:
Although it would be more convenient to detain the said nutcase, rescreening passengers would be necessary nonetheless. He could have brought several other "toys" aboard and distrubuted them among others--perhaps friends or accomplices-- if he were to try to commandeer the plane. Gotta make sure its all clear.
Maybe the flight attendants should have spiked his drink or something. I think that was done on a transatlantic flight I was on when some guy decided he would start having a shouting match with the F/As who told him to not unpack his carryon in the aisle (this had been going on for 30 min). He mysteriously went from all hyper to sawing logs within 20 min.
Maintain thine airspeed, lest the Earth rise up and smite thee.
ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1805 times:
Can we enough about with the air marshals on their aircraft in the everyday and it is no problems into the airplanes at all. Just please forget it about after 9/11. ok?
Aa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13975 posts, RR: 59 Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1714 times:
Scott- don't you think Air Marshalls have prevented something from happening already? Not directly but because they are on the plane, the may have foiled a plan or two?
Jhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6195 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1566 times:
GPSs are prohibited onboard? Since when?
Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
757KSLC From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 233 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1490 times:
"GPSs are prohibited onboard? Since when?"
Good question, I use mine during flights whenever electronics are allowed. One time I had an HP F/A ask me to turn it off, but other than that, I have always used it. I've even had some F/As ask me where we are.
"That wasn't flying! That was falling with style!" Woody, Toy Story.
B4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2595 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1362 times:
No GPS units are not allowed to be used in the cabin while the a/c is in flight. They are a communicative (I think that is a word) device. Though not listed on the approved list or an example of a device that is not approved - they should not be used in flight. A compass or analog altimeter are fine though
Jhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6195 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1314 times:
yes, my particular GPS is a communicative device (it had a handheld aviation band transciever built into it--which can be disabled), but most GPS units are recieve-only..
Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
Dlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1851 posts, RR: 23 Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1175 times:
GPS devices ARE approved and permitted. I've used mine MANY times! Every time has been on Delta and Delta's website specifically addresses GPS devices:
"You may not operate the following devices when the airplane is at the gate and the boarding door is closed. This restriction also applies during taxi, takeoff, initial climb, approach, or landing.
-Personal computers
-Personal computer peripheral devices
-Personal digital assistants, except when taxiing to the gate
-Personal computer games, except when taxiing to the gate
-Compact disc players
-Digital cassette tape player/recorders
-Video recorder/playback systems
-Calculators
-GPS (global positioning satellite) systems, except when taxiing to the gate"
The public: They always know better, even though they often know nothing
JumboJet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1006 times:
The conclusion to this incident, if you want to call it that, was that this man was allowed to board another Delta flight and continue his journey to Cairo. No charges of any sort were filed.
Not that I am taking sides, but being that I work in Law enforcement, it always is prudent and essential, before passing judgement, to receive all the facts.
And, from reading the morning paper here in NY, the incident is being passed off as one big misunderstanding. The passenger in question was apparently turning on his cell phone in flight. For what reason, we dont know. My cell phone has an airplane mode so I can disable the phone but use the other myriad features. Next, it seems as if the pass. was only showing the flight attendant that the phone can be used as a lighter, not the smartest move to make. Next, the FA freaks out and the plane diverts. The moral of the story, the guy looks middle eastern, you have an overly ascertive FA and the whole thing gets blown out of proportion. Sounds as if this whole ordeal could've been avoided. OF course I wasn't there and its better to be safe then sorry. I for one can say there have been a few times that I had the misfortune of being treated like shit by a FA, talked down to, rudely and without provocation. But that is a thread for another time, if not already discussed.
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