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Hilo Hawaii-Main Land Direct Flights?..  
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4677 times:

Did Hilo Hawaii (Big Island) ever have direct (nonstop) flights to the Mainland, I seem to recall possibly UAL serving Hilo from either LAX or SFO with DC-8s around '91.




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User currently offlinePicarus From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4624 times:

Yes. Western flew the Hilo-LAX route with DC10s for many years prior to the Delta acquisition.

United also flew Hilo-mainland, although I don't remember whether it was LAX or SFO or both.

Picarus


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2648 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4598 times:

No one operates that route now regularly I believe. ITO is a nice (small) airport, however.

I had the opportunity to go there from HNL for volcano tour. Loved HA and the 717!



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User currently offlineN777UA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

United actually once flew ORD-ITO back in the 1970s...my parents flew it many times. It was a DC10 they said.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4572 times:

Why did Hilo lose Main land service, might it come back?.

With all the 757s flying to the Islands now and Aloha flying 737NGs from lots of West Coast Cities I would think someone would operate a Mainland-Hilo flight, like mentioned UAL etc was serving Hilo not too long ago.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26017 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4565 times:

With the expansion of Kona airport and the development of resorts on the Westside of the island, mainland traffic which served Hilo shifted over to Kona. Cargo traffic from the mainland however can be seen at Hilo.


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7700 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

resorts are all over on the sunny Kona side. Only a handful of smaller ones on the Hilo side of the island.

User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2597 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

I'll sum it up in three words:

Rain, rain and (more) rain!


User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4451 times:

Hilo is notorious for its rain... But I think Hilo is a-okay. There was the Merrie Monarch Festival though to keep most people entertained


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User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2568 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4418 times:

Yes, Hilo had service. I flew several times on UA from SFO to ITO on DC-10's in the late 70's, and I think the service continued on into the 80's too. However when the new Kona Airport was expanded to handle large jets, there was not much need anymore for ITO service since most of the people wanted to go to the Kona side anyway. Since it is a long drive across (or around) the island, most passengers voted with their pocketbooks and flew on to KOA.

Too bad, since ITO has such a nice open-air terminal. It was a great way to step into the islands.

HAL



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User currently offlineUA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 498 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

I'll sum it up in three words:

Rain, rain and (more) rain!


Yup, you hit the nail on the head. People love the sun thus they love KOA! I also seem to remember America West serving ITO with their 747. I just recently saw an old ad from National Geographic, I'm trying to dig it up. I also came across an article that stated Braniff flew into ITO for a time; I don't remember that! Anyway, here's the link: http://www.braniffinternational.org/history/routes.htm


User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2050 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4281 times:

In the late 1960s, with congestion at Honolulu International Airport growing, the Hawaii government officially designated Hilo as the state's second 'gateway' airport. Hilo was (and still is, I believe) the second-largest city in the state, and it made sense to position it as a major tourist center.

Accordingly, a new jet runway was built at ITO in 1965 (runway 8-26) to handle direct overseas flights to the Mainland. A rule called the "Maui fence" was also instituted - stating that if a passenger flew into Hawaii via HNL and went beyond Maui (to Kauai, the Big Island, Molokai or Lanai), they would have to leave via ITO. It was very confusing for passengers and travel agents and was removed following Deregulation in 1978.

Pan Am and United started Hilo flights in 1967, to Los Angeles, San Francisco and Portland. After the huge 1969 Hawaii route awards, they were joined by Northwest (service to Portland), Continental (service to Los Angeles) and Western (service to Los Angeles). United also received nonstop ITO-ORD authority; this route operated on and off through the 1970s. Braniff was granted ITO authority and opened a ticket desk in the terminal, but never started service.

Hilo opened a temporary overseas terminal (basically a converted air cargo building) in 1969, but things were already looking bleak. The ITO flights were underfilled and unpopular. Moreover, as several people have said already, most of the Big Island resorts were on the other side of the islands. The few large resort hotels that were built in Hilo struggled to rise above the city's rainy reputation. For the most part, Hilo's gamble to become a big tourism center fell flat.

Pan Am pulled out in 1973, just as construction was starting on a huge new terminal building for overseas flights. Northwest, Continental and Western all pulled out between 1978 and 1980. United stuck it out for a few more years (it started KOA flights in 1983 and for awhile served both Big Island airports) before cutting Hilo service in 1987.

Now ITO only serves Aloha and Hawaiian flights to Honolulu. In the past few years, both AQ and HA have cut their two or three daily ITO-OGG and ITO-KOA flights, forcing all passengers to connect through Honolulu. Quite a sad comedown for what was once Hawaii's second-busiest airport.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4253 times:

If anyone is interested in flying too the Big Island tomorrow AA has two flight from LAX-KOA.

254 10:50AM 1:24PM 757

247 5:50PM 8:13PM 757


User currently offlineUA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 498 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4192 times:

Hey, Jsnww81! Thanks for the great information. I had no idea that CO and NW also served ITO at one time. I can't believe the old airport served all those airlines! I drove by the old ITO terminal last week and one can still tell how tiny it was. Here is the latest arrivals for ITO (it still looks pretty bleak):

Kahului, HI Air Nevada 2401 10:17 AM Scheduled
Kahului, HI Air Nevada 221 11:26 AM Scheduled
Kahului, HI Air Nevada 243 01:02 PM Scheduled
Kahului, HI Air Nevada 245 03:41 PM Scheduled
Kahului, HI Air Nevada 247 06:20 PM Scheduled
Honolulu, HI Aloha 242 01:27 PM Arrived
Honolulu, HI Aloha 234 02:12 PM Arrived
Honolulu, HI Aloha 68 04:41 PM Arrived
Honolulu, HI Aloha 46 06:34 PM Arrived
Honolulu, HI Aloha 48 06:52 PM Arrived
Honolulu, HI Aloha 950 09:20 PM Arrived
Honolulu, HI Aloha 954 02:13 AM Arrived
Honolulu, HI Aloha 956 04:34 AM Arrived
Honolulu, HI Aloha 40 05:51 AM Arrived
Honolulu, HI Aloha 42 08:03 AM Scheduled
Honolulu, HI Aloha 44 10:10 AM Scheduled
Honolulu, HI Aloha 246 11:20 AM Scheduled
Honolulu, HI Aloha 242 01:24 PM Scheduled
Honolulu, HI Aloha 234 02:33 PM Scheduled
Honolulu, HI Aloha 68 05:03 PM Scheduled
Honolulu, HI Aloha 46 06:33 PM Scheduled
Honolulu, HI Aloha 48 07:13 PM Scheduled
Honolulu, HI Alpine Aviation 7301 04:17 PM Arrived
Honolulu, HI Alpine Aviation 7301 01:28 AM Arrived
Honolulu, HI Alpine Aviation 7303 02:59 AM Arrived
Honolulu, HI Alpine Aviation 7305 04:49 AM Arrived
Honolulu, HI Corporate Air 29 03:58 AM Planned
Honolulu, HI Hawaiian Air 360 05:38 PM Arrived
Kona, HI Hawaiian Air 288 06:20 PM Arrived
Honolulu, HI Hawaiian Air 362 06:49 PM Arrived
Honolulu, HI Hawaiian Air 102 06:07 AM Arrived
Honolulu, HI Hawaiian Air 122 08:30 AM Scheduled
Honolulu, HI Hawaiian Air 382 11:03 AM Scheduled
Honolulu, HI Hawaiian Air 182 12:01 PM Scheduled
Honolulu, HI Hawaiian Air 360 05:55 PM Scheduled
Honolulu, HI Hawaiian Air 362 07:05 PM Scheduled
Kahului, HI Pacific Wings 4 01:29 PM Arrived
Kahului, HI Pacific Wings 4 04:04 PM Arrived
Kahului, HI Pacific Wings 4 06:47 PM Arrived



User currently offlineWingsofman72 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4196 times:

Let's not forget PA..they had 707s from SFO/LAX and even SEA/PDX some days of the week back in the 60s.

User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1920 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 4161 times:

I flew SFO-Hilo service on a UA DC-10 many years back. Jeez, maybe 10 years ago?

It was fun deplaning and seeing the -10 sitting there on the tarmac so close.

George



They're not handing trophies out today
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 4120 times:

My best friend just recently moved from San Diego to Kea'au, a suburb of Hilo, where he is from originally (sigh...that's another story).

I helped him book his flight - with Rick not having flown since before 9/11, he had NO idea of the changes in schedules or security or anything else. He wasn't even sure how to book his flight on-line.

We were both shocked, though, to find out that he was going to have a 4+ hour layover in HNL. I assumed there would be a decent shuttle service from ITO-HNL on Hawaiian Airlines, but unfortunately there is a big mid-day gap, starting JUST after mainland flights arrive. Aloha Airlines out of Orange County was no better.

I'm glad Hawaiian and Aloha are profitable and expanding (rumor has it of a new non-stop SAN-OGG!!), but it is sad to see ITO suffer so much.



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User currently offlineAndahuailas From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 4098 times:

Branniff also use to fly Lax-Ito with Dc8s

User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4521 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 4086 times:

I remember the ITO-KOA flight...that wasn't long ago at all. I think they were still flying that route as late as 2001 though I'm not entirely sure. But yeah, I remember that route in the Aloha mag. Flew it in FS98 back in the day too. I wonder why they couldn't even make that one work? I mean, there still are a lot of sites on the Hilo side to see...there's Kilauea which is closer to Hilo than Kona, there's the Hamakua area with akaka falls as well..but aside from that, Hilo still is the second largest city in Hawaii and the O&D itself should be enough to sustain an ITO-KOA flight.


So why didn't that work for Aloha?


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 4053 times:

Re: PanAm747:

I'm glad Hawaiian and Aloha are profitable and expanding (rumor has it of a new non-stop SAN-OGG!!)

Hawaiian Airlines will indeed start nonstop SAN-OGG in June. It will operate through the summer.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

Aloha717200,
Yes, as recently as 2001, Aloha was flying the ITO-KOA route. I did not take that one, but I do remember seeing it on the schedule. My family and I flew in to KOA from HNL, and were leaving from ITO (went to Volcano on the last day). Anyway, I did manage to switch from the nonstop ITO-HNL flight to the ITO-OGG-HNL flight while it still lasted.


User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

Blatantecho,
Are you sure that you flew into ITO on UAL? I was there about that time too. It is somewhat odd thinking about the major's route systems to Hawaii back then compared to now with all of the direct flights from the mainland. I remember that UAL used to have three DC-10s come in from ORD, SFO, and LAX to HNL and then spread out to cover LIH, OGG, and KOA. I think that I remember Delta operating a nonstop into Maui, as well as a coupe through Honolulu. Hawaiian had some as well as I remember seeing a DC-8 going to LAX. Oh well. Just my memories.


User currently offlineGVROYphx From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 3986 times:

Just for the record...America West never flew to ITO...just HNL for a short time. Now HA handles PHX-HNL.

- RR


User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

I remember flying UA LAX-KOA-LAX (might've been SFO but I'm pretty sure it was LAX) in what was probably 1984-5 (and I think on a D10). IIRC we stopped in ITO in both directions. I specifically recall the return KOA-ITO-LAX and how amazing the KOA-ITO flight was. We took off, flew around the island at very low level so the view was great, and then landed 5-10 minutes later at ITO. I also remember the plane being dirty and the aft lavs being utterly disgusting (my feet stuck to the floor!) Ahh, memories of youth.

User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2050 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

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25 Aloha717200 : Island Air used to fly LNY-KOA too.[Edited 2004-04-29 01:09:17]
26 DFWJIM : Hello, Great topic! In June of 1971 my family and I flew from ITO - SFO on a Western Airlines Boeing 720. It was a great flight for a twelve year old
27 Fliboyz : If my memory serves me right, I remember flying out of the old Hilo airport on a UA flight to SFO on a 747. I may be wrong on the plane type. Back in
28 UA2162 : Just for the record...America West never flew to ITO...just HNL for a short time. You beat me to it! I just found the advertisement in the old Nationa
29 Hawaiian717 : I flew ITO-KOA once, connecting in KOA to HA 6 which at the time was flying OGG-KOA-LAX. It just worked that time that it was cheaper than going throu
30 Jsnww81 : David - That's interesting that the airline names are (were?) still visible above the ticket counters in the old overseas side. If I remember correctl
31 Post contains links Aeri28 : fascinating. I had no idea PA flew to Hilo. Now HNL was very big in their network, but I wonder what Hilo would have given them. there's some good PA
32 Post contains links and images Superfly : Glad to know that the tourist are being diverted to Kona insted of Hilo. I LOVE HILO! It's very relaxed, peaceful, down to earth native Hawaiians, lot
33 UA2162 : If I remember correctly, however, there were plans to move one of the interisland carriers into the overseas lobby, to make the setup more like Lihue
34 PROSA : If you go to the tour helicopter side of the ITO terminal, look above the counters where the airline name used to be. Unless it's changed, you can mak
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