Anybody remember the story coming out a few months ago about a security screener at DIA X-raying himself last summer because he wanted to see "What he looked like inside?"
Before security at U.S. airport was federalized you had the lowest common denominator working screening. Now that they are federalized, they are still the lowest common denominator except now they are federal employees. *sigh* Idiots...
Brick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1572 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3596 times:
The other thing that amazes me is that the employee was "disciplined". In the world of government employees (which I deal with everyday in my job) that translates to "nothing significant was done to punish him/her".
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 14 Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3522 times:
Well I guess this means that TSA has immunity from following any laws that the rest of must follow??
Hmmmm, from the TSA employee website I think I remember that the only way they can get fired is to let a breach of security become their fault....otherwise these now "federal employees" are free to not only treat you like second class citzens but steal from you if they should so desire...
Thank you President Bush!!
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3496 times:
Sadly, this has turned into a chant of "they're all guilty" .
Remember, there are THOUSANDS of security agents and screeners out there. Most of them do their job as best they can, completely unappreciated by the travelling public. There are bad apples in every job, but one does not spoil the whole bunch.
Keep in mind also the thousands of pairs of scissors, knives, and other legitimately unacceptable items that passengers "just forgot" they had with them.
The next time you're going through security, remind yourself that these people may have been on the job a long time that day, dealing with people who want to argue and berate them. Put yourself in their shoes...they've seen thousands of ordinary people, any of whom could be a threat. They'd just as soon you moved on as quickly as possible anyway.
IF you have a bad experience, as the victim in Denver did, you have avenues of justice. But please, remember, most of them are simply trying to do their job. The quicker they have completed their inspection, the quicker you can move on.
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Av8rDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 460 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3372 times:
Doing their job? Stealing cash from passengers is not part of their job description, I'm afraid. Having this happen at DEN twice now really makes the entire cadre of screeners look like a real bunch of imbeciles just because of the couple sneaky sacks of puss who decided to abuse their jobs and do this kind of thing. Having to deal with impatient passengers and search thousands of bags per day for remotely dangerous objects in NO way makes it okay to swipe cash out of the wallets of passengers as they go through the metal detectors.
As Tom Daschle said, "You don't professionalize unless you federalize." What B.S.
As a general rule, all of us should check our hand luggage and wallets once it goes through security.
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Blackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1892 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3339 times:
If it is any help to anyone. Long before 9/11 I have never carried cash in my wallet. The money and wallet are carried in the front pocket only. Money is folded and smallest denomination always on top. If I carry extra cash, it is in two bundles. One in front of the wallet, one behind. The one with the largest amount closest to my body, (memory technique), you do not have to put paper money in the trays. Correct me if I am wrong about that.
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Canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2728 posts, RR: 12 Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3300 times:
Anyone that deals with baggage service at an airport on a regular basis can tell you this is not an isolated event. I have always been in favor of increased screening of baggage, however there are a few screeners that (like a small number of other airport employees) have found a way to use their position to pilfer from checked luggage.
Airlines can analyze baggage reports and customer complaints to determine where there is a problem. If there is a spike related to a specific shift at a certain airport they can see the need for some increased oversight. I wonder if the TSA does the same, given what I've seen I doubt they do.
M404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2218 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3233 times:
Please read the post again that you replied to from PanAm747. It never says doing the job included stealing but was trying to say that one individual succumed to a stupid choice.
Oh, and you might read the original post again as well - it was DIA not DEN.
Sorry but I had stick up for that poster.
Now I would like you all to understand a wave of dread and fear that swept through all the serious career ramp employees what handle your bags every day when they heard that passengers were being advised to not lock them. These are the folks that often say to each other that their is nothing in a bag that he/she would risk their jobs, retirement, and self esteem for.
Now they saw and feared that every time a bag was left open they could be suspected of theft whether anything was actually missing or not. The passengers could see this as a free ticket to sue or ask for compensation. All they had to do was say "It's missing" They also thought about the new wave of contractor handlers making minimum wage and could be much less worried about the same things the actual carriers handlers were.
I've read here many times that some "airline enthusiasts" have very little regard for the people that make it happen. That's something I cannot understand but now those same people have yet another cloud to work under.
Please use the releasable TSA approved locks that are being sold. Please.
Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
777boy From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 287 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3212 times:
When I was in Denver last summer, as I went through the metal detector the TSA person gave me a speech about how "sensitive" Denver's machines were and said that they had detected gunpowder on my body. (huh?????????) A second screening by a different person revealed absolutly nothing on me, and she remarked that she didn't know what the first person had seen.
When I talked to screeners in San Diego about this about a week ago (subject came up since my cellphone hadn't set off the metal detector when I walked through with it but did when the screener put only the phone through) and they had no idea what the Denver people could have seen.
I think its just incompetence in Denver. And, I must say, that here in the SF Bay Area, the screeners have gotten much better since the TSA took over. They now speak English, know what is going on, and are mostly polite, none of which I can say for the screeners pre-September 11th.
Av8rDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 460 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2842 times:
M404, the airport to which the article refers, DIA, is Denver International Airport. I used the IATA airport identifier "DEN" in my post. Both DIA and DEN refer to the same facility, DIA being the more "civilian" of the two acronyms.
Also, the tone of PanAm747's post, to me, sounded rather sympathetic towards the TSA, as if this behavior is just going to happen and we should not be surprised or upset. My opinion is that such sympathy and indifference is absolutely not the way to deal with these incidents. TSA is one of the most vital parts of our national security and there is absolutely no reason to tolerate such foolishness within the ranks of our security screeners who hold such an important job.
The offending person(s) should be fired immediately. Period.
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Apcaz8 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 23 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2799 times:
I always enjoy reading the TSA bashers on the board. As soon as one isolated incident happens, lets blame every single screener in the system. As with every job you always will have bad apples. TSA is not exactly an easy job to get, you have to go through a long process to just get trained. The majority of employees are able to perform the job to the best of their ability. As others have said, TSA has it so easy. I strongly disagree, dealing with the general public is not easy... Most travelers dont say a thing and just want to get on their flight which is why they let the screeners do their job in keeping our skies safe. When there is an irate passenger, it slows not only that persons time going through security but everyone else's. They are only doing their job with what they are presented with aka the general public. I'm not condoning stealing, but one person doesn't pass on their bad habits on the thousands of screeners that work everyday.
Cwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 18 Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2668 times:
I am sorry, but so many of you, in your feeble attempts to jump on your anti-administration bandwagons, are complete and utter morons. Not one person here excused or condoned the actions of this thief. They merely pointed out that the actions of a few cannot be translated into an indictment of an entire organization. If we followed that kind of pig logic, then we are all lazy, incompentent thieves because there are at least some in any career field or profession that are just that. If there are a few bad apples in your office, does that mean your whole company, including you, is a rotting, festering cesspool? Probably not. We have a lot of know-it-alls on here that have lots of criticism but offer absolutely nothing in the way of solutions.
Agreed, however, that such sacks of filth should be made public examples of to both discourage such behavior by others in the future, and to enhance public condifence in the majority of screeners who are there to do a job.
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Canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2728 posts, RR: 12 Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2562 times:
While no one here excused or condoned their actions, I think anyone that works for an airline will tell you, again, this is not an isolated event.
As someone with access to my company's data about TSA pilferage, I can without a doubt say that there is just as much a problem within the TSA as there is in normal baggage handling in regards to pilferage.
I've seen emails from most of the operations managers at our hubs, complaining about laziness and complacency with TSA screeners. Sure, most of them think they are doing a great job, but how many of them have ever worked at the airport before 9/11.
PHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1215 posts, RR: 21 Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2491 times:
I accidentally left $20 in my checked in baggage, which was dumb of me cause it was stolen. One time I was controlling the video camera in the terminal at PVD and the one TSA agent was literally twiddling his thumbs, no lie.
25 Cwapilot: One time, I stood at the head of the check-in line and waited...and waited....while the check-in agent stood talking to a friend, with her head turned
26 QIguy24: Cwapilot, I have had the same experience as you had with the lazy airline employees. And that was in MCO last year. She really pissed me of. people li
27 Canoecarrier: Cwapilot: Just the fact that TSA screeners are government employees automatically puts them in a different category than anyone else that works at the
28 Airbazar: Absolutely. There are bad apples and there are Federal Employees. One single bad event (which this isn't, more like 4th or 5th), from a government age