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Sata Air Azores To Providence?  
User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4823 times:

According to the SATA Air Azores website, there is a weekly flight from Ponta Delgada to Providence. I had no idea ANY european airlines served PVD. What is the market between P D and PVD?

Regards

Mike

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User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4786 times:

They also appear to fly from Terceira to Oakland!!!!

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

Large populations of Azorean immigrants and their descendents in both Rhode Island and California.


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User currently offlineA3192021 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4749 times:

Perhaps the Azores could begin developing itself as a mid-Atlantic hub?

North American flights could fly in there and then one could fly on to Portugal, the rest of Southern Europe, Middle-East etc. I know these services still exist without having to stop on an island in the middle of the Atlantic; more likely a cold island in the North-East Atlantic (ah-hum, UK?) but an Azorean hub could serve the smaller North American cities, and/or similar European cities where direct trans-Atlantic services wouldn't be practical.

Ideas?


User currently offlineAirportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4706 times:

Should also be noted that, unless it changed, SATA International flies the A310-300 to Boston-Logan


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User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4680 times:

According to amadeus' schedule, SATA at the moment flies only to BOS & YYZ.
PVD, YUL and OAK are served only during summer.

[Edited 2004-04-29 03:55:59]

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4665 times:

S4 currently offers seasonal saturday only A310-300 service between PVD and PDL. The flights are already booked full from what I've been told. There is a HUGE Portuguese/Azorean immigrant/decendant population in several towns/cities in the PVD catchment area that make this service extremely popular. The BOS service simply grabs the year round traffic that would normally use PVD as I know for a fact that most BOS passengers drive up from our catchment area. Air Luxor (LK) had previously offered duplicate service on a 370 seat A330-200 from PVD but was unable to provide the aircraft for the PVD run this year - hence S4's immediate sell-out of PVD flights. As to not let out any "unconfirmed" info - don't be surprised if S4 lengthens the June-Sep PVD schedule to year round or even more...

User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2592 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

There are large communities of Portuguese (mainly Azore Islanders) up and down the Central Valley of California, not just in the Bay Area.

Those flights are packed in the summertime too. I've seen the check-in for one, and the line just snakes around Terminal 1 at OAK.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4576 times:

It seems that these flights are not aimed at connecting pax from Europe - rather at pax travelling to/from the Acores only - if you sell these flights with connections to Europe, you cannot quote the fare directly - you have to quote the US-Acores as one r/t fare and the Acores-Europe as a seperate r/t, which works out very very expensive. But I guess if they can fill them up without connecting traffic, SATA won't care...

User currently offlineEzycrew From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 460 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4565 times:

A3192021 wrote:

"Perhaps the Azores could begin developing itself as a mid-Atlantic hub?"

It would be a pitty turning a small island into an aviation hub (even for an aviation lover like myself). Like MRU, SEZ, MLE etc, islands are too fragile and need to be very careful with their emvironment. Plus, it wouldn't bring as much revenue as point-to-point flying.


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4554 times:


Hi!

Just to give a little bit of history on Azores and azorean aviation. In USA most of the portuguese people you see there are mainly from Azores. In the past and specially during the dictator Salazar Azores was completely neglected by Portugal, the best way for them was to emigrate to USA.... they preffered that then to go to Portugal, because they speak portuguese with accent they new that in Portugal people would make fun of them and their accent. I was on study leave during 2003 in Fresno and I saw big portuguese communities from Azores, places like Hanford, Madera or Modesto have many portuguese, and their business is cattle.
Now about SATA, this airline was formed in late 40's with 2 C-47's and 2 DH Doves to fly inter-island services. Latter they evoluted to the HS748 and also after the revolution they received a few ex: Portuguese Air Force DC-6's that were used also to fly between the islands but also to Lisbon. In 1987 during a period they used a BA146-100 with PSA basic livery to make proving flights but they never operated that plane, they opted instead for the ATP. When TAP stopped flying some routes in the North Atlantic like Boston and Toronto SATA applied and that's why we see them now making all those flights.
Regards


User currently offlineAirPortugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4494 times:

CV990,

You my boy. Your always one to stick to the topic. Thanks for the awesome info...Im Portuguese and near Boston....lots of us geese around here. I flew SATA from Boston in 2000 on the A310.

What a great flight: on-time, clean, friendly staff! Big grin

Bruno



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User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4477 times:

What equipment does SATA use for the California flights? What is the passenger configuration on their A310-300s? Is it high density seating?

User currently offlineAirPortugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

John,
Hope this is useful. I flew in CS-TGU, which I believe is the second picture. From what I can remember (4 years back) it was a 220-passenger configuration in 2 classes. First and freight car.


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Later!  Smile



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User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4391 times:

Is the A310-3 the biggest plane they have currently? I seem to recall seeing a photo of a SATA A330?? I could be wrong...

User currently offlineTAP1972 From Portugal, joined Dec 2003, 396 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

John

A310 is the biggest plane SATA has. They have 2 A310's, 3 B737-300 and some ATR's (I guess) that fly betweenthe islands.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4309 times:

S4 took delivery of thier 3rd A310-300 last year/late 2002...

User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

Yah it had me wondering, but their is a huge immigrant population in New England, and TF green is a great/convenient airport, makes more sense than Logan if they had to pick between the two.


SIN > CVG > BOS
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4265 times:


Hi AirPortugal310!

Glad to know that you're portuguese!!!! Maybe we'll meet one day in Boston, I have good friends there and actually I flew to that marvelous airport in August 1998 from London-Heathrow. We flew a BA 747-200 G-BDXG and it was great to land, lots of water almost until we touch the runway. We aproached the airport from the left, did a great a very tight right turn and a great landing. I remember that when we landed a few minutes before a Swissair 747-300 landed too. I really feel sad that TP stopped flying to BOS, they used to land there with the good old 707.
We'll keep in touch!
regards


User currently offlineMikeycpvd From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 162 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

WAAAAIIIIT! Air Luxor wont be coming to PVD this summer?! So the A310 of SATA will be our only European representation this season?  Crying


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User currently offlineAirPortugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

CV:

They used to fly the Seven Oh to Boston? Thats sweet! I was doing a search the other day online here and saw their 747's they had back in the day!

I am sad that TAP left Boston, they should come back with the A340! I cannot even tell you how many people would flock through here...having to go threw EWR like I did in December was a pain in the royal arse. Plus having a direct flight to Lisboa would attract many people, because mainland Portuguese people are all about the non-stop flying!

Yeah dude...Logan is the worlds number one airport. Say what you will everybody....I know thats highly debate-able....but to me, its home Big grin



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User currently offlineAirfrancejfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4171 times:

Huge Portugese/Azorean population in the Providence/Boston area as well as in Oakland. North American Airlines operates the BOS and OAK routes to the Azores in conjunction with Azores Express. Flights are always full, especially in the summer, no connecting passengers here, everyone is pretty much heading back home to visit friends and relatives in the Azores.

User currently offlineMikeycpvd From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 162 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4101 times:

Air Luxor (LK) had previously offered duplicate service on a 370 seat A330-200 from PVD but was unable to provide the aircraft for the PVD run this year

Sorry to dig up a corpse, but I heard from a Yahoo member that lives in Ponta Delgada that Air Luxor will in fact be serving PVD this summer with their A330. It's apparently being advertised on Azorean television. He was also informed enough to mention that there's a good chance it could go scheduled as early as Jan 05...as soon as LK is able to provide a LIS-PDL flight that would time well enough to continue onto PVD.



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User currently offlineSupersonic78 From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

By the way, we are welcoming SATA in ZRH soon !!!!

User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4074 times:


Hi!

You'll probably see their 737-400's and maybe with a little luck the A310-300!
Good luck!
regards


25 PVD757 : Hey Mike, Air Luxor will NOT be serving PVD in 04. The service was announced, tickets were even sold, but the pogram was shelved because of Air Luxor'
26 Wedgetail737 : Don't forget that Suntrips uses North American Airlines for the Azores trips as well.
27 Supersonic78 : Just spotted SATA the first time today in ZRH during work... they use the 737-400 and are the route is zürich-ponta delgada-funchal.... and plane was
28 Dirkou : >A310 is the biggest plane SATA has. They have 2 A310's, 3 B737-300 and >some ATR's (I guess) that fly betweenthe islands. They have: 3x A310 1x A320
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