QF744 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 409 posts, RR: 2 Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3914 times:
It's probably been brought up before, but which airline is the world's dirtiest?
For me, it's between Air France and Iberia.
Here are a couple of classic examples...
Korg747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 549 posts, RR: 8 Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3793 times:
I'm not sure what the big deal is about dirty aircrafts, but what really gets on my nerve is aircrafts that don't get a paint job. I think it just gives a bad impression of what you might get if you were to board the aircraft...For example...
Check Su-gbp when it was newly painted from Boeing...
That's just an one example. Another carrier example is US airways and their 767-200. I can't find a good picture but I 'm sure all of you know what I'm talking about.
Viscount From Gibraltar, joined Dec 1999, 112 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3660 times:
I fly with IB regularly and have also noticed their lack of cleanliness on the exterior of their aircraft. Its sad to see their beautiful fleet taxi by the terminal windows at Barajas with even the rubber boot marks from the air bridges around the doors on the fuselages. Why do they find it so hard to keep their aircraft clean? The interiors are always spotless I might add.
767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 14 Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3640 times:
AF WINS THIS ONE BY A LANDSLIDE!!!! IB has certain sections that are always dirty...as to AF...it's the whole aircraft!!!
Twinjets...if one fails, work the other one twice as hard!!!
Ezycrew From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 460 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3334 times:
AF has its entire fleet dirty, while
IB seems to only have its A340 with marks from the jetbridge. The rest of the fleet looks fine, even its old 747-200's.
Mozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 1860 posts, RR: 18 Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3197 times:
The world's dirtiest airline, IB or AF?? You must be joking!! Without looking at a particular photo here, I would invite you to look at pictures of Ghana Airways, UTA, Vladivostok Aviation, etc. I am sure you find planes that are dirtier, not only from the outside.
WindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1305 posts, RR: 63 Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2904 times:
FLYSSC,
NO. Nothing about NW DC9's either !
LOL. Good one.
C'mon everyone. Really, who cares. I guess AF was saving up to buy KLM, right?
cheers
I'm all in favour of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with keyboards.
QF744 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 409 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2654 times:
i know this topic should be stopped, but i believe it says A LOT about an airline if they can't keep the exterior of the planes clean.
compare AF with QF - the latter being much much cleaner.
i think IB and AF should clearly lift their standards... its like having dirty clothes - IT LOOKS BAD...
we should start a petition and send it to IB & AF!
WindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1305 posts, RR: 63 Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2574 times:
QF744,
but i believe it says A LOT about an airline if they can't keep the exterior of the planes clean. compare AF with QF - the latter being much much cleaner.
Naturally, you are a QF fan harping on their cleanliness (exterior) at least twice in this thread.
Although dirty planes may look...er dirty, it is hardly the reason anyone decides to fly them or not. It does not say anything about the airline's service, on time performance, profitability etc. If you are interested only in aesthetics of the fleet and not the genuine parameters that define a good airline, then you won't fly them. But bear in mind that you are part of a small minority who wouldn't, and regretfully, missing out on the chance to travel on one of Europe's finest airlines.
cheers
I'm all in favour of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with keyboards.
Stefandotde From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2529 times:
Ok, AF's planes are dirty - from outside. So what about interieur?
Is that dirty, too?
"Most" of passengers travel inside a plane and so that's much more important, I think. Also AF has very modern and economical fleet and that counts. Who cares about clean/dirty planes, when there comes sh** out of the engines?
Airlines have to save money - AF maybe saves some money in washing planes. Have seen a movie about 1st "Plane Wash - saloon" in NRT. Cleaning a plane costs thousands and takes lots of time.
So if AF only saves money in washing their planes and doesn't save money in Maintenance, that's ok for me.
Chgoflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 622 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2382 times:
interesting subject.. theres Delta 757 that I see every now and then that is the uglest plane ive every seen.. I dont think it's dirt just lack of paint. Im curious as to how an airline washes the exterior of a plane.. a bucket and sponge?
ORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2346 times:
According to literature from LH they keep their planes spotless for one main reason. A clean exterior is lighter and more aerodynamic efficient. My experience with AF was completely dirty. The y class cabin was tidy but not particurly clean, shabby fabrics etc. BTW, CDG restrooms were FILTHY!!!!
Warren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1107 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2219 times:
No. but he will buy the A330 as the Air Force Tanker. No wonder European leaders from Old Europe are supporting him.
Ushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2670 posts, RR: 22 Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2139 times:
I wonder how these topics can turn into discussions about US Presidential candidates/incumbents.
Anyway, I doubt that Kerry will buy Airbus, unless Boeing does not change their blatantly obvious strategy to let the US government pay for the 7E7 and various other programs.
EAL757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2135 times:
well, at least we could rest assured that the president would be safe...El Al planes are probably equipped as good or better than AF One. ...and that's an interesting though--is there information out there (like an official press release) on El Al's airplane defense systems? We know they have them but is that hush hush?
Warren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1107 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2112 times:
All right, getting back to topic.
the dirtiest plane I have ever flown is Garuda CityLink F28. Everything is falling apart and you are just so happy when you have survived the flight.
@EAL757
I am not sure that's what Spike was saying in her posting.
Anxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2068 times:
In IB, the main dirt is located in door nº2 on the A343's by the "finger" touch.
Warren, please...can you explain us what thing is the "Old Europe".What do you mean by that?Have we a lot of History?because this is the right answer.Another thing have not any sense.
25 Warren747sp: It's what Donald Rumsfield (the U.S. defense secretary) calls Germany and France. But now Spain switched side so not sure if he will include it as wel
26 Anxebla: "it's what D.Rumsfield calls Germany and France" .... cos they don't support Irak war... are they "the old Europe"??? Well, then, I like very much the
28 Bullpitt: Well I'm sure there are a lot of clean airlines outhere loosing millions, To be honest I think this is a stupid thread, Who cares if the plane is dirt
29 EAL757: I agree with that last post--who cares if it's clean or not...that's precisely why I made a John Kerry comment--it has just as much relevance as a pos
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