Globetrotter From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 174 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6804 times:
SAA #209 makes a stop at SID on the route from CPT to ATL. The stop is for one hour--01:55-02:55. What do passengers do during this stop? Are they allowed to exit the plane, or must they remain aboard during the stop? Is there any way to get a Cape Verde passport stamp, or are passengers not technically entering the country? Thanks for your help.
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6606 times:
In January of 2002 I was not allowed off the plane during the stop at SID en route from JNB to JFK. I'm not normally one to bitch about the minor inconveniences of travel, but to be honest, it was fairly unpleasant. It was the middle of the night, halfway through a long and bumpy flight, so everyone was somewhat groggy and annoyed at having been woken up. Plus, we had already been delayed significantly leaving JNB due to the frisking of every single passenger prior to boarding. I had been looking forward to stretching my legs a bit during the stop, but we had to remain seated--not only that, we had to put all our carry-on luggage on our laps so they could do a security check of the overhead bins because 1 or 2 people had gotten off the plane at Sal. And finally, the stop ended up taking quite a bit longer than the scheduled hour, adding further to our delay. Not a fun way to end an otherwise fantastic vacation in South Africa.
Jtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6536 times:
I was on the flight in July of 2002 and we were not allowed to deplane. It was one of the worst experiences I have had on an airplane. It was about 1 am and when we landed we had to remain standing instead of sitting and have all of our baggage in our seats. Plus, it was hot as they left some of the doors open for trash, and the security guys to get on. I was in Business class and talked to the new crew as they were arriving and one of the pilots put his bag in an overhead bag. WELL, the security guys had no clue about this bag. We were delayed another 30 minutes because they had to bring the pilot down, who was pissed to verify this was his bag. The bad thing was he had the standard black hardcase with stickers all over it and the SAA crew tag. So if you are taking this flight just be prepared for an hour of Chaos.
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6505 times:
I flew JNB-SID-JFK in '92 (I think it was), and you were allowed to get off at SID - not much to do, crappy little airport, and at 2am what little there was was shut. There was a TAAG IL62 parked just behind us, in from Havana.
There was a story that at one time during the Namibian independence "struggle", the SAA flight JNB-WDH-SID-AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA and the Cubana flight HAV-SID-LAD would arrive in SID at approximately the same time, and that an arrangement had to be made that only the pax of the flight that arrived first would be permitted to disembark, because fights had erupted in the past between white Namibian farmers headed to Frankfurt and Cuban soldiers heading to Angola to support the SWAPO guerillas - I don't know how true this is, but its a good story.
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6450 times:
By the way, I just saw in Amadeus that some things changed: The JNB-CPT-SID-ATL flight is now operated by an Airbus A 340-600 (return flight without a stop in SID) and the JNB-JFK flight makes a stop in DKR nowadays (return flight nonstop, operated by an Airbus A 340-300).
Jtamu97: Please use the "Edit post" function next time.
Jtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6424 times:
Patrick, will do, I was looking for something like that. I thought I had heard that the stop in SID form CPT had been taken away. Wow, I bet that is nice because every second counts on that flight back.
CitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6261 times:
In Dec 2002, we were NOT allowed off the plane at SID.
As for refueling with pax on board, it is allowed in US and Europe. There are conditions such as cabin crew must be on board, the seat belt sign must be off (to allow quick exit), and no ground equipment at the door openings.
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PA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2042 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6178 times:
Attn All... I've flown this route many times over the years on SA, E8 and WO Here's the scoop... SID airport does not have a transit lounge. They have a tacky little departure lounge, which doubles as a transit lounge as long as there are no other active flight operations at the same time. Occasionally, several airlines happen to transit SID roughly around the same time on certain days (most notably SU). The rule of thumb is: Whoever lands first, gets to use the lounge. Passengers from all other subsequent flights must remain on board.
AF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2217 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6141 times:
i have flown SID-SA - New York">JFK a few times on SA, and the JNB-SA - New York">JFK passengers do not get off. in fact, most of them are sound asleep. once i was the only passenger in business boarding at SID and the FA had to do a little song-and-dance safety demonstration for me.
many airlines refuel with pax onboard. i'm sure that KE's flights SA - New York">JFK-ICN via SA - Alaska">ANC and ET's flight SA - New Jersey">EWR-FCO-ADD do not involve deplaning passengers at the refueling stop.
Aviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6061 times:
Lets see here:
First time I did JNB-SID-JFK in 2002, no problems at all, they just refuel the plane, no one gets on or off, & they run through a quick security check of the carry-on to make sure there are no un-needed carry on bags that could contain weapons, this is done jointly by SAA Security & the Sal authorities. Now with the stop being in Dakar, it is being done jointly by SAA security & Senegal authrorities.
Second time was in 2003, JNB-DKR-JFK, same security check, except this time, passengers got off at Dakar and got on from Dakar to go onto New York.
Both stops were about an hour as planned.
As far as delays because they had to frisk everyone in JNB, this is normal procedure done by SAA & ACSA (Airports Company South Africa) for flights to the US, they hand check all luggage (carry-on & checked) and they search each person. Searching checked luggage was also the norm before the US started requiring it. The flight may have been delayed because of people coming to the airport late, or staying in the bar too long & didn't realize that there was security to go through.
SAA & ACSA offers the best air security I have ever seen, hands down. I have not seen El Al, but as far as I know, El Al's number one, and SAA/ACSA may as well be second.
Warren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6030 times:
It is also a non-stop by 747-400 equipment from JFK-JNB. Only need to refuel on the return which is the same as A340-600.
But the refueling experience is a miserable one for all as you are not allowed off the plane and it is very early in the morning.
SA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6013 times:
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Currently SA211 (JNB-ATL) and SA209 (JNB-CPT-ATL) have stopovers in SID.
I went out on SA209 in December 2003, from JNB. We refueled in CPT, where the bulk of the passengers also got on. Passengers that boarded in JNB, were not allowed to get off the plane, even in CPT.
Onwards to SID for a fuel-stop. We were not allowed to get off, due to security issues. During this period on the ground, all passengers had to be "reconciled" with their handluggage, otherwise it would be removed from the cabin by security guards.
It's not very pleasant do deal with "luggage issues" in the middle of the night, especially when there are a lot of cranky people around. However, I would sincerely not classify SA209 as my worst flight. Actually I enjoyed it very much...
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Flyer732 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5863 times:
Everyone keeps saying the stop was horrible, I didn't care one way or another. I woke up when we landed, got my bag and sat there for 30 mins with my bag in my lap. Then loaded it back in the overhead and sat for 15 mins before we left.
And as far as fueling while pax are on board - do it all the time. As long as the cabin door is open and the jetbridge or stairs are on the aircraft it can be done.
Airplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5794 times:
I had a friend who flew ATL-SID-CPT (times of the year it was a stop both ways with the 744) and then JNB-SID-ATL last August. Like all of you have said, no one was allowed off of the plane, except for a crew change. She had no complaints though.