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User currently offlineMoose1226 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 250 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

What is Boeing's reasoning in only providing one engine choice for the 777NG.

I would think that it would push airlines like SQ to Airbus since the A345 can be had with RR engines. I don't see why it benefits Boeing to only offer GE engines. Aren't there more RR customers than GE customers on the 777?

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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

The 772LRs and 773ERs are niche aircraft so they won't sell in great numbers (like the A345/346), therefore it won't make sence to invest millions in developing 3 very expensive engines, if they would only sell a few.


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 984 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Loong story about this, look on pages 6 of this article-

http://airtransportbiz.free.fr/Aircraft/777X-1.html


User currently offlineKEN4556 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

How come people bash Boeing when the 777NG has only one engine choice, but never mention that the A340NG has only one engine choice?

Can anyone explain the double standard to me?

Ken


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6480 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

One thing which may have been a deciding factor is that GE accepted to be a "risk sharing partner" in the 777X program. It was very comfortable for Boeing, which is not a seriously money strapped company, but certainly not sitting on a cash pile like GE.

P&W and RR would not have been able to make similar offers without acceptance from their banks, and it might be rather "expensive" to buy such an acceptance.



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 984 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

This thread hasn't exactly been bashing Boeing for their engine choice, but to answer your question- Boeing has a contractual obligation to only offer the GE90 on the 777LR, Airbus could find another engine supplier for the A340NG if it wished.. however no such engine exists or is in development.

User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6480 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

How come people bash Boeing when the 777NG has only one engine choice, but never mention that the A340NG has only one engine choice?

Bashing is stupid. It's all straight business.

But there is a great difference. Airbus can any day go and put a GE or P&W engine on an A340NG. While Boeing has signed a contract with GE stating never to put anything but GE engines on the 777NG.

There are many other single engine choise airliners, the 737 is the best example. But it is the same situation as the A340NG, Boeing can any day put any engine on it.

There are - and mainly were - many more: 717, 720, 727, flintstone-737, 146/ARJ, DC-9, MD-80, MD-90, L-1011, A340-200/300. Plus all pre-Airbus European airliner types. Plus all RJs around the world.

Of course GE wouldn't put or risk money on the 777NG development and risk so see the competitors benefit from that. Therefore the single engine contract. It is cool business and nothing else.



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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4178 posts, RR: 89
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2174 times:
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Given only RR Engines are certified for the A340NG are there actually any other engines that are in operation that could be certified if the the engine manufacturer was prepared to fund Certification program?


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