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Tarom Signs For A318s At Last  
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

Can't say much more than that. It's official though.

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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4568 posts, RR: 41
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

Here's all I could find, using Google's news service:

http://www.forbes.com/business/manufacturing/newswire/2004/04/30/rtr1354682.html

V/F



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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

Good good, i knew this little blighter would sell ok eventually. Im predicting 150 at least in the next 7 years including the 78 already ordered

User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3766 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

So, anyone know how much A318s has been delivered yet? And how much are still ordered?

Also, were other airlines placing an order yet? I know

Frontier
Air France

and now, Tarom...

any others?

regards, Florian



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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2448 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

Mexicana is expecting its first A318 in November...

User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3264 times:

There are 83 A318s on order, of which nine have been delivered:

5 Frontier (4 delivered)
15 Air France (5 delivered)
15 America West
15 ILFC
28 GECAS
4 Tarom
1 CIT


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

Lemme ask....isnt the A318 heavier in empty zero weight than the A319?? Ive heard this from a HP A&P mechanic about it and why HP cancelled the A318 orders.... any info on that??


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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

I think the essential terms 'functioning market economy' may well explain this order Big grin

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25235 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3094 times:
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Frontier has two more on order - leased from GECAS. Here is the 6th:


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Sean Menke, of Frontier, talked about the aircraft in Airways Magazine a couple of months ago.

I won't link it because it's subscription and some people get cross. Here is a summary of what he said:

http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=7082112&tid=frnt&sid=7082112&mid=16364

So it wouldn't surprise me to see them order a few more.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25235 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2978 times:
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Here is the full press release from the Airbus website:

http://www.airbus.com/dynamic/media/press_releases.asp#1483

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2925 times:

What the official Airbus press release forgot to mention is that Tarom doesn't quite have the necessary cash in hand for the purchase!

As a result, delivery of the four A318 has been postponed to the end of 2006 (2) and end of 2007 (2) and will cost Tarom an additional US $ 10 Mil (penalties) on top of the US $ 219 Mil approved by Romanian Government for this particular order.

Initially, the A318 order delivery was scheduled to take place this fall/winter(2) and 2005 (2).






User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2910 times:

What the official Airbus press release forgot to mention is that Tarom doesn't quite have the necessary cash in hand for the purchase!

As a result, delivery of the four A318 has been postponed to the end of 2006 (2) and end of 2007 (2) and will cost Tarom an additional US $ 10 Mil (penalties) on top of the US $ 219 Mil approved by Romanian Government for this particular order


Yes that is good business, publicly humiliate one of your customers in front of the world, good idea.


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2885 times:

I agree with ya, Roberta  Big thumbs up

Michael//SE



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25235 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2844 times:
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Um - how is sticking to a contract humilating a customer?

There's a lot of other places Tarom can go for aircraft. There's a few Russian 100 seaters they'd get for a good price.

So - silly old me - I assume there's something in the Airbus deal for Tarom.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2802 times:

. . . bad business-practice to slap your client with US $ 10 Mil penalties

Buyers be aware !



User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17479 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2773 times:

". . . bad business-practice to slap your client with US $ 10 Mil penalties
"

No, Airbus is in the right here. TAROM shouldn't be buying things it can't afford; seems straightforward enough!



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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3239 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

I had a question (and I really do not mean to start a B-A war).

and will cost Tarom an additional US $ 10 Mil (penalties) on top of the US $ 219 Mil approved by Romanian Government for this particular order.

Why is Tarom paying US$55 or so per A318? Don't they already have 737NGs?
According to the Boeing WWW site, price range of the 737-600 is $41.0 - $49.0
and of the 717-200 is $35.5 - $39.5. I assume the Embraer 190s-195s are even
cheaper. Surely, since they do not have money, a cheaper option might have been
more appropriate?

Tony



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User currently offlineGLA MD11 From France, joined Mar 2000, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

Do we already know to whom the IFLC and GECAS baby busses will be leased?

User currently offlineFlamant15 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

Does not look like they are paying that much for the plane ($38 Million).

Even airliners.net list the plane at extimated $36 Million ($36 Million).

Right now the 737-700 is selling great and the A318 is selling really poorly. I bet that Tarom made a good deal with this plane, and I also doubt they got slapped with a penalty, especially if they order it with the P&Ws (engine deal is yet to be announced).

I think Frontier would like the plane to cost 30 Million or less, but they still like the plane for doing everything the 737-200 did just better. I am not trying to compare the 737-200 to the A318, what I mean is for Frontier's needs, which was a single aisle plane that has about 110 seats, it does the trick to their satisfaction.

This is not a A vs. B posting, just posting facts. I personally like both the A318 and the 737-600. I also like the E170 - 190 and the 717. The only plane I really don't care for in this market is the CRJ 700 and CRJ 900 because I think they are too small for the amount of people they carry.


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3239 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

Flamant15,

Thanks for the very informative and fact-based reply (a rarity in this forum!  Big thumbs up).

I'm not a huge fan of the CRJs either...

Regards,

Tony



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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

you cannot compare the 73G to the A318, the A319 is the 73G's equivalent size. The A318 is the 736's rival and is getting more orders at the minute and more apprasal.



Ignore the competition (as its probably bull) and just focus on the Airbus aircraft and you can see that the A318 saves around 8% a flight compared to an A319. so it is worthwile having the A318 if you cannot fill an A319.


User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2639 times:

The A318 order is actually an alteration of an attached 1992 contractual option by Tarom on replacing three A310 (acquired by the airline at the time) with other wide-body jets by 2004. Tarom would have been lost some money (not sure how much) had they not ordered other Airbus aircraft instead.

Tarom still have an ongoing contract for four B737-800 which just might be converted to something else due to airline's new strategy to become a regional carrier.





User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3239 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

Roberta,

you cannot compare the 73G to the A318, the A319 is the 73G's equivalent size.

Am I missing something? I assume that '737NGs' refers to all the the
latest 737 series: -600, -700, -800, and -900. I understand Tarom
already have 737-700s. The A318 might be more efficienct than the
A319, however is it worth buying only 4 planes of a type you don't
have commonality to? That was the point that I was triying to make...

Tony



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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

73G = 737-700

like 736 = 737-600 and744 = 747-400 ect

you cannot write 737 as the 737-100 was designated that code

so

736=737-600
73G=737-700
738=737-800
739=737-900

Clearly TAROM's order is part of a previous deal with Airbus .I guess that as the A318 is the only A/C which is suitable for TAROM and outperforms its 737NG equivalent, it makes sense to order the A318 rather than face a larger penalty.


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

Let's also not forget that, in this instance, it was also a political order. Before I get harped on, I'm not saying it was only a political order, or that Airbus only receives orders because of politics. I in no way intend to imply that. However, in this instance, politics did play a large role.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040430/transport_airbus_romania_2.html

"The contract signed today between Tarom and Airbus shows the desire by Romania to take part in European programmes," Nastase said after the signing of the deal.

He said the contract would be followed by other cooperation efforts between Romania and France in the aerospace arena. Romania is on track to join the European Union in 2007.
"

Regards,

Hamlet69



Honor the warriors, not the war.
25 Donder10 : Let's also not forget that, in this instance, it was also a political order To a large extent it is.The EU is soon to judge whether Romania has a 'fun
26 JU101 : I think the A318 order for Tarom is more to do with politics than anything else. Currently the Tarom fleet consists of 15 aircraft: 6 Boeing 737-300 2
27 Skymileman : I don't know if this has already been answered, but are Air France and Frontier the only ones to have taken delivery of the 318 to date? And does anyo
28 Post contains links and images Connector4you : Actually Tarom has 5 B737-300 and 4 B737-700 ! View Large View MediumPhoto © Wim Houquet It did shrunk a lot from the time they used to wet lease
29 Post contains images AirplaneBoy : Backfire posted: "There are 83 A318s on order, of which nine have been delivered: 5 Frontier (4 delivered)" We just received our sixth A318. We are ex
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