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ATA And Boeing Or Embraer Order, Link  
User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2001917365_bizbriefs01.html This is the latest.

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User currently offlineJran225 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 308 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

Hey Jacob,

thanks for posting the link. I look forward to seeing ATA go through with these orders. I fear that they might replace the Tristars which are a common sight here at BWI!

Regards,
-Omar S.



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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3887 times:

Why would they talk to ALPA? Wouldn't an official company spokesman be more appropriate? I mean, let's face it: Someone talking to ALPA at Eastern in the late '80s would have heard an entirely different story as someone talking to management.


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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3856 times:


They would have to speak with ALPA to discuss what the pay rates would be on the 717 or EMB-190, sounds kind of funny but that is the way it works, also there could be a change in crew duty rules.



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User currently offlineWmupilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1543234/6/

here is more infor from a topic that has been discussed



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User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2027 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3743 times:
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"We would prefer Boeing, but we understand we need to get the best bang for the buck," said Erik Engdahl, local chairman of the Air Line Pilots Association.

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To me that speaks a lot, that they really do want the Boeing, but Boeing has to come through with a very good deal, one that could save the 717 for the short-term, and if they can do that, I'm sure it'll be a pretty sweet deal for ATA.


User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

Cool....smaller planes to buzz the city of Chicago with!!!!!

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User currently offlineWmupilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

Pure rumor is about to follow so be foreworned

ATA has been hosting meetings for ATA Pilots only and some rumors have come out of there. From the several pilots that I have talked with Boeing is pretty much a shoe-in for the order. They said that mainly they are concidering Embraer only as a possible ploy against Boeing to get a good deal on the aircraft. ATA is a very loyal customer to Boeing and we haven't had a single problem with any of our aircraft. This doesn't mean that Embraer may be out of the picture, just that they may have to fight an uphill battle for the order should they want to persue ATA.

In all honesty i believe that Boeing will win out over Embraer. But as stated before nothing in this industry is a given and you shouldn't believe anything until you see an official press release for the company.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

To me that speaks a lot, that they really do want the Boeing, but Boeing has to come through with a very good deal, one that could save the 717 for the short-term, and if they can do that, I'm sure it'll be a pretty sweet deal for ATA.

To me that says its a union man advertising their feelings and not the official stance of the company.

N


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3503 times:

It is looking like the 717 may get another small boost. Any boost is a good boost. It just goes to show that the economy is slowly but surely getting a little bit better.

User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3484 times:

how many 717s are we talking about? Will this possibly make it a profitable airplane for Boeing?


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3453 times:

40-60 new 717's will prolong the lifespan of the aircraft, but I think more orders would be needed to keep the line up and running for the long term. Hopefully when and if ATA orders the planes, it will convince some other airlines to possibly give the bird a shot.


Steve/MSY


User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

I'm more excited by the "ATA is the largest carrier at Chicago's Midway Airport and said in February that it may launch flights to Europe by the summer of 2005."!!!

ATA is doing well lately. I'm very happy for them.



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineCWUPilot From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

I don't want to get my hopes up but the seattle times is usually pretty reliable when it comes to reporting boeing matters. This is great news.


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User currently offlineElcapi1980 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

I prefer to see them with embraer 190-, nothing against boeing, I just love the look of that aircraft... they should buy 30b, and 30e...to have everyone happy...
 Smile



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User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

Flights to Europe? I need the 411 on that one. I think the 757-300 could make it from MDW AND MDW has a customs facility! If FI and CO can cross the pond on 757s TZ can do it as well.

Andrew


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

JRan225 - No worries on the TriStars until 2006 except N188AT and N194AT which will be retired this year and next. The others will be around until 2006 at least.

Not only the largest carrier out of Midway and Indianapolis, but the 3rd most passengers out of Chicago.

Can't wait for the scheduled Euro service either. I am thinking it will connect from the east coast and not non-stop out of MDW.

M


User currently offlineWmupilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

If the European flight leave from MDW it will be a 1 stop flight. I'm almost positive that the company will launch the flights from the east coast. No decision has been made on when /if/and from where the flights will be launched.


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User currently offlineGeg2rap From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 851 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

From the several pilots that I have talked with Boeing is pretty much a shoe-in for the order.

Boeing was a shoe in for Frontier order...and easy jet....and jet blue orignally....and America West....and Airtran
and they only got airtran
Remember after the easy jet order Boeing said they will not make jets for a loss.....so hopefully they are able to get it together for this order and keep these planes coming out of the USA  Smile


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5766 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

I disagree, Geg2rap- Boeing was NOT a shoe-in for AirTran. Airbus considered it a must-win order, according to everyone involved, and several of us were surprised (though pleased) that AirTran went with 737s. Airbus had offered some sort of deal to replace the 717s, if I remember right.

That said, I will not believe that they are ordering 717s until a press release is issued. I hope they do. But stranger things have happened.

R


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4581 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

As far as Europe goes...there was an article in AW&ST a while ago that stated specifically MDW and IND will not see any European or South American flights. One stops...maybe...but they are going to base the service out of other cities.

User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

To me that says its a union man advertising their feelings and not the official stance of the company.

That's what I was saying, but someone shot me down.

I think that until we hear word from the corporate office, we should be wary of *any* news.



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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

MDW will need a serious runway extention before we'll see any longhauls from there. If ATA are going to fly to Europe, we will need to establish a focus city or minihub somewhere East ... we need some feeding to be able to make that ops profitable.




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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

Apparently ATA is playing games to get the best deal and yet keep their Pilots happy. The 717 is a well proven and quickly available a/c while the E-190 is relativly new.
As to scheduled service to Europe, why not out of MDW? I suspect though some of the big boys that ops in O'Hare may object. ATA has plenty of 757's with the reach, they can use the L-1011's they have left for peak times or can go into the used market and find some nice 757's or maybe 767's for that service. (If correct, 757-767 have similar flight decks, so little change for pilots?). With their extensive charter experience, should be no problem as to qualified pilots (maybe the L-1011 pilots can be retrained on 757's-767's?)


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

As to scheduled service to Europe, why not out of MDW?

...something about only 6522ft of runway, perhaps?  Big grin


User currently offlineWmupilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 25, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

The 757-300 can barely fit into MDW right now. Take the accident last year with one A/C crashing through the blast fence. MDW will not see international service to/from MDW (direct). It may see a 1 stop flight but that is the only way it gets International. ATA is looking for high yeilding cities that do not have many flights to europe. Some city on the east coast is going to see in increased presense from ATA before any international flights being. We've got to be very carefull with this course of action. Any rushing into this and we may pull an America West, and possibly run into the end of ATA. If this is done very carefully and with alot of though this venture has the potiental of being a great success for ATA.


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