EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7431 posts, RR: 44 Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2802 times:
Just like our Portuguese friends had an unexpected visitor a few days ago, I wish we would see one day (even if it is only for refueling or as a result of a diversion) a TP widebody land in MEX. Maybe the Mexican national soccer team should invite the Portuguese national soccer team for a game in the Estadio Azteca. Perhaps Figo & friends would be brought by a chartered TP.
Wolkenridder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2327 times:
If TAP was really clever, and if they had enough fleet to do it, of course, they should fly regularly non-stop LIS-MEX-LIS (they have A340s). We all know that there is a big need for another European carrier in MEX, and TAP would be perfect now that we now AZ can't do it. LIS is perfectly located for European, Middle East and African connections to/from MEX. Actually they already offer very interesting fares from MAD to Brazil and New York, as well as Johannesburg. They have a very extensive European network, and if they offer competitive rates to and from Mexico, they could compete with IB, AF, LH, KL and BA in the Europe-Mexico market. Also, as they are so good located in the Iberian peninsula and they serve several destinations in Spain from LIS, they are perfect to serve the busy Mexico-Spain market, that as we discussed in other forums, desperately needs more carriers.
In Latin America they already serve Caracas, and several destinations in Brazil, so thinking that you will see a TP in MEX doesn't sound too crazy to me.
I wish you could see a TP 340 every afternoon at MEX parked near the rest of European heavies!!!!
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7431 posts, RR: 44 Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2114 times:
Hey there Víctor, how are ya?
I sure agree that we need more seats between Mexico and Europe. About TP coming our way, I don't know. But baby steps. Maybe they could start by doing some charters to MEX (since they already send charter flights to CUN) in order to evaluate demand just like AR385 suggests. I find it difficult to believe that a European airline would rather fly to CCS than to MEX. I don't mean to infuriate our Venezuelan friends, but I think MEX is a way more attractive destination for European airlines than CCS, especially now that Mexico has a Free Trade Agreement with the European Union and our economy is stable and Venezuela is such a chaotic place. Does anybody know if there is a Portuguese colony in Venezuela? I wouldn't think so... Brazil being just next to Venezuela. Or a lot of Portuguese investment? Again, I wouldn't think so.
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5493 posts, RR: 26 Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2027 times:
EddieDude and others
I read somewhere that there is a big portuguese colony in Venezuela, just like a Spanish colony exists in Mexico. So, its basically ethnic traffic. Ghost77 corrected me, they already fly charters to CUN. They could make it a scheduled 3 x weekly and extend the CUN stopover to MEX. A few years ago, Portugal started investing a lot on Direct Investment, but, naturally, most of it went to Brasil. I don't think there is any Portuguese investment in MEX. Another place with a big colony of Portuguese people is Montreal. What about something like IB did years ago, Lisbon-Montreal-MEX? I think that with a good timing for connecting flights in Lisbon, flying TAP to Europe could become very attractive. Plus, Portugal in itself is a great place to visit.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7431 posts, RR: 44 Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1950 times:
Yes, Portuguese direct investment in Mexico and in Spanish-speaking Latin America is very limited. I think there are probably only a couple of truly large Portuguese companies with more or less significant operations in Mexico and not much more. At the firm we represent a Portuguese bank that has a representative office in Mexico City, but it is not very active.
I do hope, however, that we will see more European airlines doing regularly scheduled flights to MEX in the short term. If not TP, hopefully JK, UX, SK, LX or AZ.
Anthsaun From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 543 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1884 times:
Several important European airlines are distant from having operations to Mexico. Why? Difficult to answer. TAP from my point of view does no have a market in Mexico other than the Portuguese coming for vacations. And I have not hear too many Mexicans interested on visiting Portugal. Also, Lisbon does not seem to be a great European hub. Language is not a plus. And I do not know if the TAP European route system is any good at all for Mexican travelers.
I would say AZ, and SK would do even better in Mexico than TAP.
Wolkenridder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1770 times:
I know there is not so much traffic between Portugal and Mexico, but there is not too much traffic bewteen Mexico and the Netherlands either, and KLM flies daily nonstop 744 AMS-MEX, cause like 80% of that traffic is connecting traffic. So would be the case of TP in MEX: mostly connecting traffic.
Connections ex-LIS are very interesting for the Mexican market, since TP, IB and Portugalia fly to several Spanish cities from there, and TP flies to main European cities like LON, AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA, PAR, MXP, ROM, BER, VIE, ARN, AMS, BRU, so if they offer competitive fares to those destinations, it could be a great option.
Actually I think it would be much more logical to see them in MEX than SK, where can you connect in ARN or CPH to? Moscow? Helsinki? There is really no traffic from Mexico for SK.
AirPortugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3321 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1593 times:
Ill agree with Wolkenridder...SAS? If your telling me that a Latin person would rather fly with a totally non-Latin airline instead of one that might resemble one, then the world is changing for the wierder.
Ussherd From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 328 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1476 times:
There's a large Portuguese community in Venezuela. A substantial number of Portuguese immigrants are from northern Portugal and from the island of Madeira, which accounts for the weekly Porto-Caracas and Funchal-Caracas flights. The Spanish, Italian and Portuguese communities in Venezuela retain close links with their respective home countries (most of these immigrants arrived in the 1950's/1960's) and are significant players in the national economy (such as it is).
Apart from that, a lot of the pax on TAP's LIS-CCS flights are connecting from all over Europe, so theoretically TP could generate enough connecting traffic to make a LIS-MEX flight feasible.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7431 posts, RR: 44 Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1141 times:
Thanks for the info on the Portuguese community in Venezuela Ussherd. The data you provide is very interesting.
Wolkenridder is correct about AZ. I recall reading not one but several posts about how MEX is not in the cards for AZ in the short or medium term. The biggest issue is the lack of sufficient planes (772ER's would be, I guess the way to go). AZ just announced weeks ago its plans to fly to new destinations basically in North America and Asia beginning this summer, and MEX is not one of them. I guess we will see AM doing regularly scheduled flights to MXP or FCO before we see AZ doing MXP-MEX.