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Emirates Plans Big New Zealand Expansion  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12172 posts, RR: 17
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4536 times:
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EK sees New Zealand has a big future for them. I'm trying to find the news link for a web-site as I have just read it in the local paper

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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4440 times:

Is the market/hub structure in NZ really so big??

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12172 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4401 times:
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In a Press Release for the announcement for the new CHC services which will be flowen by the A345 it said "New Zealand is an increasingly popular destination for leisure travellers from Europe and the Middle East". It said in today's newspaper that EK plans on making New Zealand one of its hubs, but it does not say which airport. It says that EK is planning Direct flights to the Middle East from New Zealand and EK is also considering direct flights beyond the Middle East, like to America etc

User currently offlineAirNewZealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

LOL...
And their plans regularly come in with a loading of 40% or lower...
How they make money must be in Cargo...

Mikey


User currently offlineNz1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2268 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4214 times:
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I have a friend working in Line Maintenanace on the AKL ramp, and he said that on average the 3 daily EK flights are about 25-30% full. I guess it is better to make a little money from the cargo rather than sit on the ground in Oz for so long.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12172 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4133 times:
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I can't find the news link on the web-site, so I'm hoping that it will be in tomorrows Airliners.net newsletter then I can provide the link. Here is some sentences from the news paper. "The airline is happy with a 60% load on nearly all its flights across the Tasman. Emirates extracted higher profits from from less-filled planes by getting high utilisation out of its top model aircraft and from its Staff. The Cargo account for 20% of it Tasman flight profits. The airline plans to fly from New Zealand to the west coast of the USA".

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4108 times:

Introduction of direct Christchurch service has been delayed from its original start up date of June 10 to July, presumably because of late delivery of A345 equipment needed for the route. DXB-MEL-CHC will be launched on July 01, initially operating thrice weekly, but later expanding to a six times weekly operation.



User currently offlineKiwi dave From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4064 times:

At least Emirates are coming to the South Island hopefully they will add more flights to Christchurch

User currently offlineAirNewZealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3887 times:

60%... they have to be kidding...
i see the loads nearly everyday, and they regularly only come in with 80-130 pax onboard!...
Hmmm, sounds like someones lying...

Mikey


User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3850 times:

If they do start a AKL/CHC to US run, price it right they'd get a few pax coming from Australia for that flight. A top class alternative to QF/UA and their great service. Just time it right.

User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

In a Press Release for the announcement for the new CHC services which will be flowen by the A345 it said "New Zealand is an increasingly popular destination for leisure travellers from Europe and the Middle East".

There might be an increase in tourism, but is that enough? Tourism does not fill planes on a daily basis... planes are mixed of tourists, expatriates, businessman... I really doubt that this is a good strategy... as it has been said, loadfactors don't seem great


User currently offlineStarFlyer From Germany, joined Sep 2002, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

Would SYD not be a better hub? Nothing against Auckland... but I thought SYD would attract a lot more traffic.
Would Air NZ be able to fly out of DXB to Europe in return? Eg AKL-DXB-LHR?
And how are AKL's facilities going to cope with even more traffic? Any plans for a terminal expansion? The terminal is way too small during the rush hour, when all the Asian flights come in.

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User currently offlineQantaspower From Australia, joined Aug 2002, 516 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

Emirates or any other non US airline cannot fly from Sydney to the USA. If Emirates start Auckland to LAX it will be another nail in the coffin for air New Zealand.

Shame on the NZ Govt for allowing this Govt sponsored airline who pays shit all for its fuel not to mention zero corporate tax to cherry pick the profitable routes out of New Zealnad.



User currently offlineNz1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2268 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3657 times:
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Yes the terminal at AKL is to be expanded. They have constructed a number of remote gates which will eventually house airbridges connected to a 2nd pier. The latest plan I saw included 12 new gates with 4 of them A380 capable. Try having a look at the following site for more info.

http://www.akl-airport.co.nz

Regards


User currently offlineChinaeastern From China, joined Apr 2004, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

i've heard from some australian aviation magzines that EK is studying the feassibality to fly not only from AKL to the east of East coast of US, but also possible destinations in Latin America and pacific islands incl. NAD.

User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 838 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

Just 36 pax on their Mel-Akl B777-300 tomorrow, Tuesday 4 May! They do however on average carry between 90 & 160 pax regularly on this sector! Not enough to make it pay one would have thought? Qantas carry the most pax on this route I understand, with their flights full virtually every day!

Cheers - BZF



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12172 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3343 times:
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Here is a news link from today's paper (Tuesday 4 May) about Emirates and Air NZ
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2896076a13,00.html


User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

Trans-Tasman for EK is obviously only part of a bigger picture.
Presumably, they hope to curb any potential losses on those routes with their planned extensions to the US and possibly South America as well as the Pacific Islands.
Their intensions are obviously to be a Round-the World carrier.  Smile


User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

The price of EK flights from Aus to NZ aren't that cheap either, that's probably why more pax prefer to fly the discount flights on offer by QF and AirNZ

User currently offlineZaphod From United Arab Emirates, joined Feb 2004, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3105 times:

Working at DXB airport I can safely say that the neither the joining or the transfer loads from DXB to AKL are anything to talk about. However as VH-BZF said the loads on the Trans-Tasman sector hovers around 100. That is definitely better than having the aircraft on ground in SYD or MEL or BNE. Also, our latest Annual Report mentions that the break-even load has dropped from 65.4 to 59.0. I'm sure financially it makes more sense to keep the asset running and in the air than idle on the ground.

But haven't heard anything (even rumors) about making NZ a hub.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5337 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Yes Emirates are being very optimistic really!

They plan to make AKL a hub and fly to LAX, SFO, EZE and NAN. They are also due to start PER-AKL later this year!

AKL-LAX is shorter than SYD-LAX so I guess they plan to have connections from their Australian flights to the US flights.


User currently offlineQantasclub From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3032 times:


This thread is such a joke. It's a classic kiwi delusions-of-grandeur post, much like what landed Air NZ in all that trouble in the first place. Auckland is a beautiful city and NZ is a beautiful country but exactly what are they going to hub to? There is nothing but ocean forever to the right with a few island nations and Australia to the left. Even much bigger cities like Sydney and Melbourne are end of the line destinations, and we don't pretend to be anything else. People come down under to this part of the world because they want to see Australia and New Zealand, not because it stands at the great crossroads of air-travel. Emirates is using spare capacity and utilising their aircraft to try and earn a bit more rather than letting them sit idle. That's it. There's no grand plan to turn Auckland into a Heathrow of the south, for goodness sake!
It's unfortunate that their loads are so low, because Qantas and Air NZ have just launched yet ANOTHER appeal to merge with one of their main argumants being now that Pacific blue and Emirates are in the trans tasman market, suddenly, we have 'competition', hence the renewed merger plans. I can't think of a worse partner for Qantas, and I hope it never goes ahead. Leave the airline to middle earth alone!



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5337 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

That right Qantasclub? You better ask EK that yourself then!

I agree with you that NZ is an end of the line destination though and also that a QF/NZ alliance makes no sence what so ever.


User currently offlineND From Belgium, joined Feb 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

IF NZ does indeed become a hub, does the existence of nonstop USA routes from DXB (except for JFK) become out of the question?


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User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

it must have something to do with cost. Cost of operating OZ to NZ service or letting the planes sit around OZ for a couple of hours.




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25 NZ767 : Qantasclub, Not a Kiwi delusion at all......... Emirates desire to expand and use Auckland as a hub into the South Pacific and on to the USA widely re
26 Copaair737 : SFO-AKL on EK would be great! RTW would be possible, with a SFO-DXB-AKL-SFO routing. I hope that there is room for both NZ and EK though, it would be
27 Qantasclub : RE: Qantasclub, Not a Kiwi delusion at all......... Emirates desire to expand and use Auckland as a hub into the South Pacific and on to the USA widel
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