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You Are Now AC Why U Always Bring Up CP?  
User currently offlineYYZACGUY From Canada, joined May 2004, 159 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

Hey its my first ever post i am posting so i do not wanna make enemys. I have been now working for AC 5 years when AC took over CP i made lots new friends from CP and some ppl are good to work with. But why is it that all u EX CP always say the days of CP where better and so on so forth the past is history your CP is gone you are now AC. And we should work together as 1 and save this great airline we have in a great country like CANADA we are a world class carier so why is it u EX CP bring up the old days? If you where a good airline you whould not be under.

[Edited 2004-05-03 06:55:37]


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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Judging from your spelling and grammar (or lack thereof, a sentence shouldn't be an entire paragraph long) I'd guess you are about 14 years old and not 26-35 who's worked for AC for 5 years.

The reason some people bring up CP all the time is that many preferred CP over AC and found the service to be better. I can't comment on it because I never had a chance to fly CP before they were acquired. I've also spoken to some ex CP staff who feel they've gotten a raw deal from AC after the acquisition with seniority being the biggest issue.

Kris



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User currently offlineYYZACGUY From Canada, joined May 2004, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

VonRichtofen Sorry for the spelling but they should all be happy they have a job. What about the staff from AC that got laid off or lost there jobs cause of CP. And CP's famous slogan rather be dead then RED. So they should be happy they have a job


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User currently offlineAirtractor From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

I think you need to give your head a shake ! The last few years have been very trying times for the airline industry, and it seems you have forgotten that we are all in it together.

On my second point I can't believe your last statement about CP going under because they were not a "good" airline. Grow up a little !



In memory of Agnes & Aaron, you're always with me when I fly.
User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

Hi Airtractor and welcome to Airliners! Always good to see another Albertan join the forums  Smile


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User currently offlineWjv04 From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 582 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

YYZACGUY and AirTractor, welcome to A.net

CP had something about them, no one knows what it was, but there was something about them. CP employees did get a raw deal from ACA. people who were high up in CP got put to the bottom at ACA.
There are alot of slap in the face things going on there as well. When tango started, it was sort of a joke of ACA, ACA knew that so they used CP planes for tango. Its small stuff like that that gets to the CP employes.

Lemme ask you this, Would you love to come get taken over by WestJet, get bumped down the senority list, and get treated very poorly day in and day out?



User currently offlineAirtractor From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

Hello VonRichtofen, and thanks for the welcome. I stumbled across this site not more then a month ago & so far am very impressed. Havn't found anymore Canadian Ag-pilots yet though.

Anyways This will be my last reply on this topic but I think that YYZACGUY has it all wrong. Westjet is a worldclass airline, smal but worldclass. One that has run in the "black" continuosly and showning strong growth right from the start. I have many friends at Westjet based out of CYYC and their thoughts are all the same, ( Many of whome came from both CP & AC ) it is the best place on earth to work !



In memory of Agnes & Aaron, you're always with me when I fly.
User currently offlineRamprat From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 188 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

WJV04, out of curiosity, what CP people that were high up got put at the bottom of AC. As far as i can recall, the seniority lists were pretty much dovetailed, which meant most of the junior people at the bottom, myself included, were the AC employees. I know there are always exceptions, but as far as i know most of the current junior employees are the original AC employees now. And as for using CP 320's for Tango, i find it hard to believe that they were used as a "joke" as you called it. If you have proof, please provide it.

"Lemme ask you this, Would you love to come get taken over by WestJet, get bumped down the senority list, and get treated very poorly day in and day out? "

Yes, there were alot of problems after the merger, but you dont honestly think the CP employees are blameless in this either do you? There are good employees from both airlines, who wanted to try and make the best of what was going on, try and make it work somehow. And yes both airline employee groups had people who wanted nothing to do with the other and caused alot of stuff.


User currently offlineBacxboys From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

Going to add the British view on this one.!
We had a similar experience over here when BA was allowed to take over British Caledonian.
Back then we all said it should never of been allowed and would reduce competion!
In fact the opposite happened, it allowed Virgin to Expand and allowed smaller european carriers to get in on the act.
However with Canada, AC has continued to strangle the market driving many other carriers such as CP and Canada 3000 out of business.
Yes Im sorry CP will always be the Best for service (was) and AC will never match this.
Its only in the last few years airlines like Westjet have given AC something to think about and gave customers a choice on the mostly AC dominated Domestic market.
Of course CP staff will be upset, after all AC drove CP out of business!


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

*shrug* Some folks lost their jobs as a direct result of the merger.

CP was world-class, and had a proud history. Their employees were top-notch and there really was a service culture there that didn't exist at AC. To an extent, it still doesn't -- in my experiences with AC since the merger, the best and most customer-friendly employees I've met have almost exclusively been ex-CP employees. It was really a difference in corporate culture.

AC chose to trash that image, culture and history when they took over CP. It was garbage to them, and they gleefully went about eliminating the Proud Wings from anything and everything. I also remember full well the gloating and "rubbing it in" which AC employees did to those folks who were losing their jobs, and CP employees who were genuinely saddened by the demise of their company. The proliferation of graffiti ("The End is Near") and AC stickers in some airport terminal work areas and in CP aircraft pits was testament to the fact that AC employees were not overly welcoming to the CP family.

..... but it's interesting that you don't see those "Our Pride, Our Success" stickers at all, anymore.....



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineWhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

CP employees have better shifts, better holidays, and are the ones keeping their jobs while AC employees are getting the pink slips. Raw deal my A$$. The YYC point of view.

User currently offlineRamprat From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 188 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

I think it all started with the "Better Dead than Red" campaign way back, and the reason you don't see the "Our Pride, Our Success" stickers anymore is because they aren't needed, most of the workforce, as I stated in my last reply, is still Canadian, most of the original AC workforce is on layoff, and things have calmed down too, we are too busy fighting for our lives with this bankruptcy.

And just another thought, how accommodating do you think the CP employees would have been, had Onex and AA won, and taken over AC?? You honestly think things wouldn't have been different? Graffiti on the AC cargo pits etc?? Its what happens when there is a merger, not that I agree with it. I have talked to some ex-CP, Wardair employees, and they are still bitter about that merger, granted its a different time and situation, but there is still some hard feelings over that merger that happened so long ago. Yes it was hard for them to come to AC, but as I stated before, not all of them after the merger acted appropriately either.


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

CP employees have better shifts, better holidays, and are the ones keeping their jobs while AC employees are getting the pink slips. Raw deal my A$$. The YYC point of view.

There's a lot of senior folks at AC's operation in YYC, according to folks I've talked to. It's a disproportionately large segment of the employees, as compared to other bases. YYC was the place people wanted to transfer to from other places in the AC system a while ago when I still paid attention.... but I'll admit that I don't know if that's still true.

But, that might account for at least some of the reason why senior ex-CP folks get the better shifts, holidays, and so on. There's simply more of them.



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