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Australian Cut-price Airline In Safety Row  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12976 posts, RR: 15
Posted (12 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2719 times:

Qantas cut-price airline Jetstar is in trouble over the way the new airline will be doing its safety checks during transit. Today aircraft engineers launched a safety campaign against Jetstar. The safety campaign will include billboards at airports and "guerilla" web ads, which will appear when people search the internet for Jetstar.com.au. Jetstar will not use licensed aircraft engineers to check its aircraft during stops at airports. Qantas and Virgin Blue do use licensed engineers to check its planes. Jetstar's pilots will walk around the plane's looking for any evidence of a bird strike or any mechanical problems. Licensed aircraft engineers will ONLY check each morning before the plane's first flight, but the pilots will do the 'safety checks' after that. A jetstar spokesmen says that every low cost airline around the world uses its OWN employees to do the planes safety checks. Virgin Blue uses licensed aircraft engineers to check its planes


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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 67
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

How do airlines like WN, B6, U2 or FR handle this? Licensed aircraft egineers, or like Jetstar?

Somehow I doubt QF would use this practice for Jetstar if it really were unsafe - they've got quite a good reputation in that area and having a subsidiary use practices that could compromise safety (and QF's reputation) wouldn't really make sense...

So - as asked above: how do the other LCCs handle it?


Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3290 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

Sounds like a union tactic to me.

Its just an inspection for birdstrike or other inflight damage. It's not like there is actually any maintanence being performed. If a pilot can't safely perform such a check, then he or she shouldn't have a commercial pilots licence.

Kind of reminds me off the old Ansett 3 crew 767s.

User currently offlineSnnams From Ireland, joined Apr 2004, 288 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2540 times:



Qantas have too good a reputation to jeapordise. In my honest opinion, if any union were prepared to stoop so low as to try this kind of trick, any Qantas employees of said union who actually support this garbage should seriously consider their positions in the airline.

That sort of tactic is sick and shocking, and as a passenger, I would now go out of my way to fly Jetstar just to prove a point.

Shame on the union and anyone involved if this is true.

[Edited 2004-05-03 15:46:27]

User currently offlineOH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1436 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Works that way at SkyWest. The Captain or First Officer performs a walkaround of the aircraft to make sure everything's in good working shape. Mechanics are only called out when something actually needs to be fixed (from missing seat belts to APU's to whatever).

Doesn't bother me any. I can definately see this being a union tactic, but I've seen UA pilots doing the same thing here, inspecting their own aircraft.


Head in the clouds... yet feet planted firmly on the ground.
User currently offlineSnnams From Ireland, joined Apr 2004, 288 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2426 times:


Just want to clarify my position above: I think playing the "safety card", as a union MIGHT be doing here, is disgraceful when there is no need to do so. Playing on people's fears like this is, in my view as a passenger, totally unacceptable.

I do not mean to offend any Qantas or Qantaslink staff who are suffering as a result of any transitions to JetStar.

[Edited 2004-05-03 23:30:52]

User currently offlinePER744 From Australia, joined Mar 2003, 405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2363 times:

Wasn't there something a few years back because DJ were doing that or were going to do that?

User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3104 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

I dunno but the places I have worked in Canada...Maintenance checks the airplane over night and gets it ready for the morning. Then That is it unless there is a problem in a transit station then they call one of their engineers or if they cannot differ or MEL it they get who ever they have on contract to look at it...


Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineBd1959 From Australia, joined Oct 2002, 450 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2292 times:

This was covered in some depth last night on 3AW.

Interview with David Kemp (Federal Secretary ALEA) highlighted concerns that the Unions have with Pilots performing these walkarounds. Not least was his concern that Jetstar pilots will be expected to perform a whole swathe of tasks currently being performed by dispatchers. Add in an aircraft walkaround and there is a mountain load of work for the pilots to perform in the scheduled 25mins turnarounds.

Jetstar's Alan Joyce countered with the argument that these work practices are little more than is already being asked of QANTASLink Pilots, that QANTAS Group themselves would not risk their enviable safety record, that Pilots were more likely to be vigilant since they were flying the plane - and that it was a Union beat-up.

Emotive talk on both sides. The ALEA pushed DJ back on this same procedure when they came on the Australian scene; interesting times ahead.


User currently offlineMELflyer From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 9 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

A website has been setup at http://www.jetsafe.com.au. Billboards have also been errected along the freeway on the way to MEL in the last week or so.


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