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UA Expands Caribbean, Mexico & L. America  
User currently offlineAirlineFanatic From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 222 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040503/cgm075_1.html

I guess UA wants to expand and fill the void in their weak area. thoughts?

Is this good for the UA/US/Star tie-up? Good move for UA in general?

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User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

Great news! Where's UA744Flagship? He's been saying this will happen for months. I'm wondering if this is seasonal or year-round service.

User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

Right here.  Smile

Some of the services are year-round, most of them are winter-only.

Dang, this is even more than I'd heard.

Oh forgot to add... TACA is looking at Star membership...

[Edited 2004-05-03 21:58:15]

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

AirlineFanatic,

Please make sure active with the link < > and here it is:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040503/cgm075_1.html

Regards!!


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

They're clearly depending on US to provide East Coast -> Caribbean services, since they didn't bolster IAD as much as they could have.

N


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

Looks like they're also taking a page from US, and will probably end up making most of these flights Saturday-only.

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Yeah, It is for the Saturday only flight. Are you still anything else about more expansion out of ORD, SFO, IAD to Caribbean, Mexico & Latin American, too.

Regards!


User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

I'm sure Alaska and America West will give United some healthy competition on the SFO/DEN to Mexico routes.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7569 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

It was about time. UA was lagging behind the other carriers, especially CO and AA, in terms of presence in Mexico. Let's see if this works for them.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

I'm sure Alaska and America West will give United some healthy competition on the SFO/DEN to Mexico routes.

...not to mention F9  Big grin


User currently offlineUALAX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Though only weekly, glad to see Los Angeles finally get some new service (to Ixtapa). Does Alaska still serve this route? Hopefully in the future, the one-stop service to Costa Rica can be made nonstop.

UALAX


User currently offlineN743AS From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Anybody know the status of Alaska's plan to serve San Jose, Costa Rica?


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User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 715 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

AARRRGGHHH! Of course UA announces this expansion to warm-weather destinations just as I'm about to lose my stand-by passes. Grrrr!!

I bet some of these weekly destinations will go more frequently once UA builds up its reputation in the areas. That's what happened to IAD-SJU, now IAD-CUN, etc.



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

This is good move for UA make expansion out of ORD, IAD, SFO, DEN. I think about IAD-SJU will be continues on the flight. I think will do well for more passengers to SJU.

User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

UA744Flagship-

TACA to STAR? They have codeshared with AA for a long time. I would've expected OneWorld.

AA787



ET In NYC
User currently offlineUA744KSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

This is excellent news for those of us here in Northern Cal! I've always wanted to go to Puerto Vallarta, Cabo, and Cancun!

I've thought for a long time that they should do this. I'm glad they've finally ventured into the Mexico market.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13547 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2595 times:
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AS still has SJO on the back-burner, from what I understand. SFO-CUN was on the drawing board for awhile, but the company hesitated and TZ jumped on that route (along with UA now).


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User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1030 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2501 times:

Has UA dropped developing Latin America? They have dropped some routes
(LIM, etc) and I was wodnering with US coming into STAR on May 4 they now have GREAT connections on the east coast of the USA (which they lacked terribly before) to feed into their ( defunct) MIA hub to South America. It could be good business now for UA.


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

Yep!! It is start tomorrow with US Airways are enter into the Star Alliances. It would be perfect for them. I will try used with codeshare of US & UA with my mileage plus. Well, talk ya later!

Regards!


User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 715 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

In recent years, UA has ended service to CCS, LIM, and SCL.

UA's problem with Latin America wasn't getting enough butts in the seats, it was getting enough high-fare paying butts in the seats. Several times I'd thought about flying stand-by to EZE or GRU out of MIA but the flights were usually heavy/full. Yet UA claimed they lost tens of millions on those routes.

UA has repeatedly said their focus is on building up service from their hubs, so I wouldn't look for an MIA build-back-up or new service from CLT or PIT, even with US in *A. (Wonder if US will perhaps start sevice from PHL, though?)

UA has always been weak in Mexico and the Caribbean. Glad to see them put an emphasis on this hot (literally and figuratively) market area.



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User currently offlineJc5280 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 530 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

Looks like I will be spending some time in Mexico...

Ah, how can one complain?


User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

I wonder how much this renewed interest in Mexico is due to loosing Mexicana as they depart from Star Alliance??

FA4UA



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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Actually, It would be great to see again UA in SCL. United is just the last US airline in a long list of US carriers leaving Santiago: Panam, Eastern, Continental, etc. Now only delta and AA.

There is this nice picture of UA saying good bye to Santiago:


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Photo © Renzo Pontiggia


"Santiago, we will never forget", next to ETOPS and "worldwide service". Nice titles, aren't them?



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User currently offline4jaded From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

UA will probably find this harder to pull off than you might expect. Unfortunatly they have many negatives going into this expansion. First they have little or no marketing presence in the new cities. Second I assume that many full fare local businessmen would be hard pressed to switch to UA and give up whatever relationship they have with another carrier as UA has demonstrated the pension to fly out of a market as quickly as they flew in. A good example being the failed MIA hub experiment. Third, They big price international tickets are going the way of the $3500 transcon fares /history/ and lower cost operators are not going to roll over and die for UA thats for sure. Most international carriers, and the likes of competitiors like America West, Frontier, Aviacsa etc will be able to keep prices low for a long time. Fourth, the markets that they have chosen /individual cities/ for the most part have plenty of carriers to choose from. It will be hard to wrestle away an American Airlines or Continental customer from these markets as they not only serve Costa Rica for example but all of Central and South America as well as the Caribbean.
I think they would be better off sending TED into these markets and making a go of what tourist fares they can get as well as give away through their FF program. After all that will be about the market scope of the market they will attract.


User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 715 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2057 times:

That's assuming, 4jaded, that UA is going after local businessmen in these new markets, and I doubt that's the case.

While some traffic originating in the int'l cities will be necessary, UA isn't going after the Costa Rican businessperson trying to get to Chicago, for example. They're going after the loyal Chicago-based Premiers who need to go to Costa Rica on business. Same with Mexico--UA isn't starting these flights for Mexicans who want to visit the U.S. (although I'm sure some will take advantage of the service), they're going after SFO and DEN area FF who want to visit Mexico on vacation and earn/redeem Mileage Plus miles.

In the press release announcing the new service, they even said something like "our loyal customers have asked for this new leisure service and we want to stay their airline of choice" blah blah.

Can we infer that all this new service, particularly Mexico, will be mainline, or will some of it go to Ted?



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25 UA744Flagship : Hi UALFAson, enjoy your posts... The concept that I've heard is that many of these markets (specifically the weekly ones) will start out mainline (inc
26 FA4UA : couldn't have said it better myself UALFAson! I bet the service will be on Mainline except for all the daily flights which will be TED. TED enjoys a l
27 4jaded : I understand your point UALFAson, however that is my point exactly. That has been the shortsightedness of UA in the past in Latin America. They do not
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