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User currently offlineIndio66 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2244 times:

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Airline employee finds loaded gun on plane
Secret Service agent’s 9mm was left behind on Continental flight

Updated: 8:15 p.m. ET May 03, 2004WASHINGTON - An airline employee found a loaded 9mm handgun Monday lodged between the seats of a Continental Airlines flight after it landed at Newark airport, MSNBC.com has learned.

The plane departed from Reagan National Airport Monday morning; Reagan National is the airport most used by Washington dignitaries due to its proximity to the Capitol.

The FBI was called in to investigate and determined the weapon, a 9mm Sig-Sauer, belonged to U.S. Secret Service agent, a source familiar with the investigation told MSNBC.com. The agent declared his carry-on weapon at Reagan before boarding and was the only armed agent on board, according to a federal security employee who asked to remain anonymous.

The disturbing incident is apparently not unique. “This is not the first time this has happened,” said an administration official while confirming the incident to NBC News. “There have been one or two other occasions where federal agents have left their firearms on board planes,” the administration official said, though he couldn’t name which agencies the officers worked for.

The administration official also noted that a federal air marshal recently left his weapon in an airport restroom. Another recent incident involved a commercial airline pilot who was qualified to carry a gun in the cockpit under the new Federal Flight Deck Officer Program. During a shuttle ride from the aircraft the pilot left the gun — which was inside a lockbox — behind on the shuttle. Another pilot recognized the lockbox and retrieved it, according to a federal security employee.

In other incidents, federal officers have dropped live ammunition on board airplanes, said the administration official. “In each and every case appropriate disciplinary action was taken and will be again in this case,” the official said.



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User currently offlineZASpringboks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Wow. Speechless. 911 was the airlines fault! Right? Forget about the responsibility of the Feds, screw TSA, and go back to saving money with privatised security.

I could be wrong and sometimes my responses aren't too intelligent, but I see some sort of problem here.


User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2121 times:

I felt nervous when first reading this but now I really take a hard look at it when it states that this happens all the time (well more than out of the blue). I don't care at all what people say about it, if you can forget your gun on an a/c then you shouldn't be protecting that a/c let alone any a/c. Face it the only thing that makes you different is that heavy metal thing on your belt. The training is no good if you don't have the tools (gun) to use.

New measures should be placed such as sign in when on the a/c with gun and check out with the gun. I don't care what they say, make sure that that a/c is off of the a/c when everyone else is off. Honestly how the do you let your gun just "slip" in between the seats? ARGGGGGGGGG that pisses me off yet I still have the highest respect for these people in that when s--- happens my life is in their hands. I'd like to see what they do about this or if they will do anything about this at all!


UA777222



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User currently offlineJran225 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 308 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2057 times:

This is quite a shocking story, although one can use this against the whole spotting situation here in the US. We go spotting at our local airports and the police and FBI think we are going to shoot down a plane with our SLRs. Then they find a gun on a plane, which really could have been used to inflict damage upon the passangers/plane! Pretty lucky that this all ended well, but it just shows how ironic the whole situation is!!  Sad

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-Omar S.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3942 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1990 times:
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the bad things is when they said the third example was a pilot left it behind in a shuttle bus, that is misleading. He left it on the jet-bridge. The crew walked on first, and then all 50 pax walked right by the handgun. Any pax could have picked up that gun and been in possesion. These are reasons why we do not need guns on board an aircraft. i.e. pilots. This is not the last line of defense. Opening the cockpit door is losing the whole initiative.


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User currently offlineCWUPilot From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

Way to go folks. Having any sort of weapon on a plane is a bad idea in my book. Didn't you see Con Air?!?


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8232 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

Don't critisize the TSA for this one. It was well out of their control. The agent legally had the gun aboard the airplane so private vs. gov't security arguments find no place here. The agent should be terminated from his position for making such an error, as should the Air Marshall who left her gun in the bathroom at CLE. Let them work behind a desk for the rest of their career if they can't cut it.


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8232 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

The crew walked on first, and then all 50 pax walked right by the handgun. Any pax could have picked up that gun and been in possesion.

The report I saw said the gun was locked in a case and thus posed no real threat. There is a difference between leaving a gun in a secure case and leaving one out in the open.



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User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1585 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Well, it looks like only US contributors here!

Quite simply, guns should not be allowed on any aircraft, and then we wouldn't be hearing any more of the ever increasing stories of the stupid mishandling of these lethal weapons!

UGH!





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User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1733 times:

I've always been against having guns on planes, but this just confirms what I was thinking. We don't need air marshals, or anyone with a gun on the plane. Increase ground security, that's the way to go about doing this.


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3942 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1652 times:
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N766UA, of course it posed a threat. Any time you have a weapon that can be in the wrong hands poses a threat. What your saying is that even if someone "bad" has a gun on board the aircraft, if its locked it doesnt pose a threat. How do you know they couldn t open it. What if it wasn't locked?


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8232 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

I'm saying that the FBI said it posed no threat. And, obviously, it's less conspicuous and less dangerous if it's locked up and unloaded vs. loaded and wedged in a seat.


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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

I agree with Privatized Security, but the Democrats feel Security should be Privatized. See, there is a difference  Yeah sure

User currently offlineN757KW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

I would think an Air Marshal would check to make sure they had his/her weapon on them prior to leaving the aircraft/bathroom.

Just my opinion.

N757KW



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