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Aer Lingus Free To Fly US?  
User currently offlineErj170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6763 posts, RR: 17
Posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

Read in an article today (sorry, can't remember which one) that Ireland was in negotiations for a free airspace agreement with the US. Ireland wanted to fly points within the US, but they didn't wanted to go behind the back of the EU to do so. Has anyone heard anything abou this?


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User currently offlineSnnams From Ireland, joined Apr 2004, 288 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

hi,

Yes. EI is asking the Irish governemt to enter talks with the US for an interim agreement on increased access until such time as the EU/US conclude their wider negotiations. This will be legal as talks will be "supervised" by the EU.

EI want to add three new destinations in the US within three months of any new deal. (The conventional wisdom here in Ireland says they will be MIA or MCO, SFO and maybe DFW) The US is seeking the end of the Shannon stopover (which they are likely to succeed in doing  Wink/being sarcastic in return.

EI has seen 100% loads on US flights on many occasions and has big expansion ambitions in this area.

EI already flies to JFK, BOS, ORD, BWI and LAX. It also has rights for EWR but pulled out post 9/11, leaving that market to CO.

[Edited 2004-05-05 02:02:24]

User currently offlineErj170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6763 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

Hehehee.. how about some RDU action? Can hook up with OneWorld partner AA to fly to further destinations? Just a thought. And I thought the deal was for some point to point destinations in the US.. Are you saying it is just for more destinations?


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User currently offlineSnnams From Ireland, joined Apr 2004, 288 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

I'm unsure of what you mean exactly. Did you think EI wanted to fly Internal US flights? If so, then no, they are just seeking to add a few more destinations. 3 more might only be the initial launch though: their wish list has quite a few other US airports mentioned.



User currently offlineErj170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6763 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3566 times:

Ohhh.. okay.. thanks for the correction. Pretty cool.. I like to see the Clover Flying.. such a cool A/C livery.. Well, if you know anyone in Operations at Aer Lingues, will you mention RDU for me! LOL.. Thanks, buddy.


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User currently offlineSnnams From Ireland, joined Apr 2004, 288 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

Don't be surprised to see the shamrock at RDU someday. (but it will be quite a while I think..  Wink/being sarcastic.. the low fares are certainly stimulating demand, and not just from Cities that have traditional Irish populations. Maybe those nice new 7E7's that Aer Lingus are thinking of ordering would be perfect!



User currently offlineErj170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6763 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

hmmm.. any timeframe? are there negotiations going on? details, please!


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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12435 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3355 times:

Aer Lingus is chomping at the bit to add new US services and has apparently convinced the Irish govt of the need for change. However, the Irish government has a difficult balancing act to perform, as it must be seen to be protecting Shannon too, even if only for electoral purposes.

The US government wants to see the stopover out of the way. My personal view remains that since a decision on EI's new t/a fleet is hanging on what new access it gets, Boeing has a very good chance of a deal here. EI could use 777s to replace 333s and continue using 332s until the 7E7 is available. Sure, some might say commonality suggests Airbus might be a better option, but if Boeing can, not just provide a good deal, but the right airplane, then I think it may be in with a good chance. And, unofficially, a Boeing deal could 'help' to open up new gateways for EI.

This will be a very interesting process to watch ...


User currently offlineFlymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3199 times:

Hey if this happens. Then service it MIA is coming.


"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3122 times:

Another thing to remember is that the Irish gov't may be weary of removing the Shannon stopover requirement in the near future because the airports are also all going to split up from the existing Aer Rianta company. It could mean a lot of bad times for Shannon...

But Aer Lingus definitely wants to expand to MIA & SFO.


User currently offlineTexAussie From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

What's with the Shannon stop-over? I have noticed flights route that way; id that a law?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

Yes, pending a new US-Irealand air treaty, Aer Lingus will almost certainly launch services to San Francisco and Miami. In the longer run, look for Dallas and Orlando too.


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

What's with the Shannon stop-over? I have noticed flights route that way; id that a law?

Yes.

Any USA airline routing that serves DUB has to serve SNN with the same calendar-weekly frequency.


User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

ConcordeBoy,

I believe that the SNN stopover also includes Canada. I remember the rule covering all transatlantic, but I could be mistaken.


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